Kirk/Sarek

[RobertScorpio]

This thread also emcompasses (spelling?) the movies as well..

What do you think Sarek really thought of Kirk? He has to know that it was Kirk's friendship with Spock that kept Spock in Starlfeet at times when he may have left to come back to Vulcan. Kirk was definately the kind of human, that I think Sarek may have felt, corrupted his son...

So...at the end of his life, and if he could remember, what would Sarek's final thoughts of Kirk be???

Rob

 

[Semah]

This thread also emcompasses (spelling?) the movies as well..

What do you think Sarek really thought of Kirk? He has to know that it was Kirk's friendship with Spock that kept Spock in Starlfeet at times when he may have left to come back to Vulcan. Kirk was definately the kind of human, that I think Sarek may have felt, corrupted his son...

So...at the end of his life, and if he could remember, what would Sarek's final thoughts of Kirk be???

Rob

Sarek mind melded with Kirk, so he had a pretty good idea about what made him tick. That and the resurrecting of his son at the cost of his own, would have put him in a positive light, methinks.

 

[KirksFlyingFist]

I think he probably respects his authority as a Captain and his ability to lead, but in turn doesn't admire him as a person because of his lack of control on emotion and use of emotion in decision making.

 

[RobertScorpio]

I think he probably respects his authority as a Captain and his ability to lead, but in turn doesn't admire him as a person because of his lack of control on emotion and use of emotion in decision making.

Perhaps...but I what about Kirk's pull on Spock. Sarek probably hoped that Spock would have his 'fill' of humans, and come home eventually. But Kirk/Spock became very close friends. Had there been no Kirk/Enterprise, I think Spock might have gone back home..eventually...

Rob
Scorpio

 

[Oso Blanco]

what would Sarek's final thoughts of Kirk be???

It was ... fun!

 

[McCoy]

Sarek probably hoped that Spock would have his 'fill' of humans, and come home eventually. But Kirk/Spock became very close friends. Had there been no Kirk/Enterprise, I think Spock might have gone back home..eventually...

Rob
Scorpio

I don't know about that. He had at least two human wives so he must have had some understanding of the positive qualities of the species that a Vulcan might find admirable.

 

[The Grim Ghost]

Sarek obviously didn't think much of humans. Perhaps his attitude towards them or at least towards Kirk improved a bit after the events of Star Trek III. Since Spock's birth he has resented the fact that Spock was part human, despite the fact that it was his own fault for marrying a human woman. Quite illogical.

 

[Dayton3]

In "Journey To Babel" Amanda told Kirk that Sarek considered Kirk's accomplishments to be "acceptable".

Kirk seemed to take this as a high compliment.

 

[Dayton3]

Sarek probably hoped that Spock would have his 'fill' of humans, and come home eventually. But Kirk/Spock became very close friends. Had there been no Kirk/Enterprise, I think Spock might have gone back home..eventually...

Rob
Scorpio

I don't know about that. He had at least two human wives so he must have had some understanding of the positive qualities of the species that a Vulcan might find admirable.

Possibly.

But it seems obvious that both of Sarek's wives adopted Vulcan ways and practices to a strong degree.

It is possible that Sarek saw this as the "normal" means of human/Vulcan interaction.

 

[Maurice]

In "Journey To Babel" Amanda told Kirk that Sarek considered Kirk's accomplishments to be "acceptable".

Kirk seemed to take this as a high compliment.

In what scene?

 

[darkwing_duck1]

In "Journey To Babel" Amanda told Kirk that Sarek considered Kirk's accomplishments to be "acceptable".

Kirk seemed to take this as a high compliment.

In what scene?

I think he might be mis-remembering the scene where Sarek is admonishing Amanda for disrespecting Spock, and she fires right back by teasing him about being proud of his son.

He COULD be conflating that with Sarek's brief conversation with Spock at the end of IV, where he told Spock that his associates were "of good character"...

 

[Alrik]

I think he probably respects his authority as a Captain and his ability to lead, but in turn doesn't admire him as a person because of his lack of control on emotion and use of emotion in decision making.

Perhaps...but I what about Kirk's pull on Spock. Sarek probably hoped that Spock would have his 'fill' of humans, and come home eventually. But Kirk/Spock became very close friends. Had there been no Kirk/Enterprise, I think Spock might have gone back home..eventually...

Rob
Scorpio

Spock did go back to Vulcan. That is where he was after the 5 year mission while the Enterprise was being refitted. But the answers to his questions couldn't be found on Vulcan so he re-joined the
Enterprise and found them with V'ger. Kirk had nothing to do with bringing him back, but I'm sure he had something to do with Spock staying. I highly doubt Sarek would hold that against Kirk.

 

[A beaker full of death]

what would Sarek's final thoughts of Kirk be???

Decent enough bloke, for a goy.

 

[ClayinCA]

I think he probably respects his authority as a Captain and his ability to lead, but in turn doesn't admire him as a person because of his lack of control on emotion and use of emotion in decision making.

That would presuppose that Sarek judged Kirk by the same standards as he would a fellow Vulcan, and not by human standards. I don't think Sarek would have done that, as it's hardly living up to the idea of infinite diversity in infinite combinations. A human, after all, would not be expected to conform to Vulcan standards of emotional control or use of emotion in decision making.

Sarek obviously didn't think much of humans.

That's why he married two of them and spent so much time in his career working among them. Even Sarek's favourite composer (Mozart) was also a human.

In "Journey To Babel" Amanda told Kirk that Sarek considered Kirk's accomplishments to be "acceptable".

Kirk seemed to take this as a high compliment.

I think you're mis-remembering; I'm almost positive that was a scene in ST: TNG: "Sarek," and that it's Perrin who says this to Picard, whose response was "High praise from a Vulcan."

 

[Captain Gandalf]

If Sarek didn't like humans, he would never have ponfarred Amanda, with Spock as the result. He probably only pretended not to like them, because it was "Vulcan-like" to do so.

 

[RobertScorpio]

If Sarek didn't like humans, he would never have ponfarred Amanda, with Spock as the result. He probably only pretended not to like them, because it was "Vulcan-like" to do so.

Sarek's problem wasn't that Spock had human friends, it was that Spock had friends at all. Sarek forgot, it seems to me, that Spock was half-human as well and would develop feelings for them.

So, Sarek didn't hate Kirk and compay for being human. He was jealous of them..and if you look at how Sybok failed him, and was full Vulcan, you can see sarek's wanting to make spock more like him...

Rob