Kirk dies alone
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In what way? Unless Shatner pops out of the ground at the end of the film and says, "Hey guys! Fooled you!" Kirk will still be dead in the future.
It ties in to the "Time is the fire in which we burn"/"Time is a friend that sees us through" thread.
Kirk's first, apparent death is in a blast of flame, when he's lost to the Nexus. He's quite alone then. (And what's the first thing he says to Picard, a few minutes/78 years later? "Do you smell something burning?")
But at his second, real death, a friend--Picard--is there to see him through.
Kirk's first, apparent death is in a blast of flame, when he's lost to the Nexus. He's quite alone then. (And what's the first thing he says to Picard, a few minutes/78 years later? "Do you smell something burning?")
But at his second, real death, a friend--Picard--is there to see him through.
^ That's an interesting theory. I never thought of it like that.
IIRC, Kirk says he thinks he'll die alone. Wasn't a prophecy or anything, you know?
When I first saw Generations in 1994 I thought it was kind of beautiful, almost poetic, that he did die alone. He was three quarters of a century from anything he knew on a strange planet. He knew Picard for maybe a couple of hours but essentially he was still a stranger.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
Just another reason, to me, why Generation is a far better movie than First Contact. There is a moral to the movie, and it is well acted by all. Wish I could say the same about FC, which IMO, loses ground everytime I see it.. FC is the most overated TREK movie ever, and couldn't hold KHAN's jockstrap...
Rob
scorpio
Kirk mentions that he'd die alone because Spock and McCoy wouldn't be there.
In "The Return" he dies alone when he blows up the Borg Homeworld with him on it. I believe Kirk actually references his words in Star Trek V when this happens.
However the best meaning would have been on the Battle Bridge of the Enterprise D.
In "The Return" he dies alone when he blows up the Borg Homeworld with him on it. I believe Kirk actually references his words in Star Trek V when this happens.
However the best meaning would have been on the Battle Bridge of the Enterprise D.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
Nope...I love how he died. Simple, with no other actors around, aside from Patrick, to steal from the moment. Generations is very good movie. I just watched it last week, in HD, on cinmax. And it get better everytime I see it...
Rob
scorpio
Just In case you didn't know, Kirk is not dead. He was ressurected by the Borg/Romulan alliance, then he went and beat up Picard, Data, Geordi, Riker (twice) and Worf. Then he and picard became friends and went on holiday together. Seriously it's all in the shatnerverse novels.
Is this a Zen koan (not to be confused with Jen Cohen, who sat in front of during 9th grade history and had the most shapley of bottoms): "If the second worst Trek movie contradicts something 'established' in the worst Trek movie, does anyone give a fuck?"
