Kirk and Yesterday's Enterprise

[DWOMT]

Hello all!

I was watching "Yesterday's Enterprise" today and a thought popped into my mind. Surely Kirk must still be trapped in the Nexus in this timeline. Imagine if Kirk had emerged out of the Nexus in this version of the 24th century only to see the Federation on the brink of defeat at the hands of the Klingons? Everything he had argued about in TOS and the movies relating to the Klingons would surely make him think he was right. Even though this timeline was eventually erased it certainly poses some interesting story ideas.

"I have never trusted Klingons, and I never will. I can never forgive them for the death of my boy"

 

[Anwar]

To be honest, his attitude towards Klingons in TUC didn't make much sense. I mean, he sure didn't have a problem with Klingons in TFF and partied fine with them at the end.

 

[Hober Mallow]

To be honest, his attitude towards Klingons in TUC didn't make much sense. I mean, he sure didn't have a problem with Klingons in TFF and partied fine with them at the end.

Shatner also didn't like Kirk's apparent prejudice, and really hated the line, "Let them die!" He thought it was very un-Kirk-like and tried to fix it by having him say the line and then look embarrassed, as if he said something in anger he didn't really mean. He acknowledged that it was good drama, but didn't think it sounded much like Kirk.

 

[indolover]

I think as Klingons believe in honour and integrity, they wouldn't attack another power willy nilly. I think some serious shit must have gone down for the Klingons and Federation to be at war, and the destruction of Enterprise-C must have been the spur towards a formal alliance between the two.

In fairness to the Klingons, in all of the 24th century Trek TV series and movies, they never knowingly and purposefully undermined the alliance. All attempts to do so were by renegade/reactionary Klingons (the Duras sisters, and Duras himself), or Changeling/Founder infiltrators (General Martok).

 

[JoeFromEarth]

I think as Klingons believe in honour and integrity, they wouldn't attack another power willy nilly

The Klingons are big on expanding their territory, and they expand their territory the old-fashioned way: by conquering it. To some Klingons, conquering is the only honorable way to expand their territory. Peace is not honorable to them.

 

[Anwar]

Peace, maybe. But not attacking someone because they sacrificed themselves to save your people when they didn't have to? Sounds honorable to me, someone worthy of respect. And if all they ask is that they don't kill one another, an honorable person would respect that.

 

[SRFX]

To be honest, his attitude towards Klingons in TUC didn't make much sense. I mean, he sure didn't have a problem with Klingons in TFF and partied fine with them at the end.

It made perfect sense. It was his amicable nature towards them in TFF that didn't make much sense (along with the rest of that movie).

 

[Anwar]

What do you mean? Kirk hardly seemed the type to wish death on an ENTIRE species simply for the act of one guy, even if it was his son he lost (after all, he lost close friends and loved ones in TOS all the same...).

 

[G2309]

To be honest, his attitude towards Klingons in TUC didn't make much sense. I mean, he sure didn't have a problem with Klingons in TFF and partied fine with them at the end.

It made perfect sense. It was his amicable nature towards them in TFF that didn't make much sense (along with the rest of that movie).

I agree.

The idea of Kirk seeing the war with the klingons would be interesting. If star trek xi had come out first i wonder if it would have been different because the treaty in that was pretty set.

 

[indolover]

I think as Klingons believe in honour and integrity, they wouldn't attack another power willy nilly

The Klingons are big on expanding their territory, and they expand their territory the old-fashioned way: by conquering it. To some Klingons, conquering is the only honorable way to expand their territory. Peace is not honorable to them.

Yet they were more than willing to maintain the Federation Alliance throughout TNG and DS9. I don't think Klingons oppose alliances by or in themselves, as long as there is always an enemy of some form.

 

[Hober Mallow]

What do you mean? Kirk hardly seemed the type to wish death on an ENTIRE species simply for the act of one guy, even if it was his son he lost (after all, he lost close friends and loved ones in TOS all the same...).

I agree. It served the story, but it was like Picard's sudden predilection for craziness when the Borg came around in First Contact, but he didn't act anything like that when he encountered the Borg in "I, Borg" and "Descent."

 

[Hartzilla2007]

I think as Klingons believe in honour and integrity, they wouldn't attack another power willy nilly

The Klingons are big on expanding their territory, and they expand their territory the old-fashioned way: by conquering it. To some Klingons, conquering is the only honorable way to expand their territory. Peace is not honorable to them.

Yet they were more than willing to maintain the Federation Alliance throughout TNG and DS9. I don't think Klingons oppose alliances by or in themselves, as long as there is always an enemy of some form.

Accept the Enterprise-C being destroyed while trying to save the Klingon's outpost was before there was a Klingon/Federation alliance and was the event that caused it so the Klingons wouldn't be betraying an alliance that didn't exist yet if the went to war with the Federation.

 

[G2309]

What do you mean? Kirk hardly seemed the type to wish death on an ENTIRE species simply for the act of one guy, even if it was his son he lost (after all, he lost close friends and loved ones in TOS all the same...).

I agree. It served the story, but it was like Picard's sudden predilection for craziness when the Borg came around in First Contact, but he didn't act anything like that when he encountered the Borg in "I, Borg" and "Descent."

I take Kirk's commet a different way. I don't think he wants all Klingons dead. The loss of Praxis although devastating wouldn't cause extintion. In the heat of the moment he probably thought the klingons were getting what they deserved.
Theres a difference between wating to blow someone up and leaving them to to suffer the consequences of there actions. He didn't want the federation risking their own security to help them. He would have prefered the collapse of the empire.