Kim Cattrall as a Vulcan?

[AxelFoley]

I just finished watching The Undiscovered Country and was just wondering if I'm alone in thinking she was a horrible Vulcan? She has this stupid smirk on her face at all times and it really annoyed me, and almost ruined the character (even though she was already a bitch)

Opinions?

 

[Kirby]

Yeah, that was kind of an odd casting choice. I know Catrall was semi-popular at the time, but I think I had only seen her in Big Trouble in Little China before TUC. She was very smirky and very condecending. Of course it doesn't help that I hate Sex in the City, so I see Valeris through that filter.

 

[cardinal biggles]

She did seem a bit smug, but then again, this is still TOS-era Trek, back when Vulcans had personalities despite their love of supreme logic.

Cattrall auditioned for the role of Saavik back in 1981, so part of me isn't surprised Meyer looked her up again once Kirstie Alley had priced herself out of reach for TUC's budget.

 

[Kegek]

Cattrall auditioned for the role of Saavik back in 1981, so part of me isn't surprised Meyer looked her up again once Kirstie Alley had priced herself out of reach for TUC's budget.

Yeah. She was actually Meyer's first choice for Saavik. As with the film's title (which was the original title for The Wrath of Khan and would make far more sense in that picture), there were just a couple of things Meyer got into this picture probably because he couldn't get them last time around.

And while she showed a tad bit of emotion, I actually liked Cattrall as a Vulcan. I think generally speaking comedians make good Vulcans because there's a requirement for stiff, deadpan delivery which still sounds interesting.

 

[A beaker full of death]

I know Catrall was semi-popular at the time

Not really. I don't think she had done anything since Mannequin or whatever.

 

[RoJoHen]

She's actually one of my favorite Vulcans.

Back then all Vulcans were emotional. They'd certainly deny it, but they were. They may not have laughed or cried, but you could see how they felt through their facial expressions and tone of voice. Sarek was often annoyed that Spock's emotions were closer to the surface.

 

[Warp Coil]

I actually really liked Valeris, and thought Kim Catrall did a great job. I also agree that the 23rd century TOS Vulcans had more personality and were more interesting than the bland 24th century incarnations we got in later series.

 

[Sharr Khan]

I actually really liked Valeris, and thought Kim Catrall did a great job. I also agree that the 23rd century TOS Vulcans had more personality and were more interesting than the bland 24th century incarnations we got in later series.

The same pretty much goes for the Romulans as well.

I liked Valeris, though it was so obvious she was the traitor from the get go.

Sharr

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

I liked Valeris, though it was so obvious she was the traitor from the get go.

Which is why I still wish they'd had Saavik in the movie. It would have been much more of a surprise when she was unmasked as the traitor.

 

[AxelFoley]

I don't really see a personality in her character until the end when we find out she's a beatch with a motive. That stupid smirk, I just can't get past it.

 

[Chindogu]

I never really got her motive for being apart of the conspiracy. Peace, to me anyway, seems more logical than war, for the most part. Especially in the kind of situation the Federation found themselves in with the Klingons. Sure I can understand if there were Klingons who would want to fight but a Vulcan? I don't buy it. So I imagine Valeris as actually being a Romulain spy, since their motives are pretty clear.

As for Saavik, sure she would have been more of a surprise but it would have seemed like a cheap stunt to me with no real basis for her actions. I mean if Kirk can get over his prejudice, based on the events of STIII, then surely Saavik could as well.

 

[Ronald Held]

I would say the 23d century Vulcans has, by human standards, more personality(not emotions) than their 24th century counterparts.

 

[Basill]

I actually didn't mind her portrayal as much as her hair. There was just something about the way it was cut near her ears that always bothered me. And as much as I understand the value of drama and how much more "meaningful" it would have been had Saavik actually been the character, I have to say I am just glad it didn't work out that way.

 

[Dane_Whitman]

Cattrall made a really memorable Vulcan. I've always liked her performance in TUC.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Any truth to the rumor that when the film wasn't shooting, Kim hung around the bridge set posing for naked pics, and that Nimoy ordered them all destroyed when he found out?

 

[A beaker full of death]

Any truth to the rumor that when the film wasn't shooting, Kim hung around the bridge set posing for naked pics, and that Nimoy ordered them all destroyed when he found out?

It is true.

 

[Jack Bauer]

I would've laminated those pics.

 

[AxelFoley]

Any truth to the rumor that when the film wasn't shooting, Kim hung around the bridge set posing for naked pics, and that Nimoy ordered them all destroyed when he found out?

What?? Who took the pics, was it for a magazine?

 

[Haggis and tatties]

Any truth to the rumor that when the film wasn't shooting, Kim hung around the bridge set posing for naked pics, and that Nimoy ordered them all destroyed when he found out?

I don't think Nimoy would be to annoyed about it now, seeing as he is now into taking photographs of old women...

Oh that was low, I'm sorry kim.

 

[Nebusj]

I never really got her motive for being apart of the conspiracy. Peace, to me anyway, seems more logical than war, for the most part. Especially in the kind of situation the Federation found themselves in with the Klingons. Sure I can understand if there were Klingons who would want to fight but a Vulcan? I don't buy it.

No? I think you'll find that you're assuming peace-is-better-than-war as an axiom.

One could rather easily come to the conclusion that the threatened Klingon Empire will produce an aggressive expansionist drive in the Empire, and since the Federation must fight the Klingons then, it's better to fight now that they're still running at an industrial and manpower deficit than (say) five years from now when they've had time to build new plants for critical materials.

And to disarm the Federation in advance of such an inevitable threat would be catastrophic. Therefore, if there must be war, it is better done now; therefore, any moves which would prevent the war now must be halted and one must be provoked as swiftly as possible. QED.