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Spoilers Killjoys Season 2

I did wonder if they were aliens, but I don't really remember there being anything to indicate they weren't just another group of humans from somewhere else in The J.

The implication was that they were aliens. The collector also said that the "mossipedes" were used as guard animals by "the indigenous people" of some planet he'd visited, which would pretty much have to be sentient aliens, unless he was misusing the word "indigenous" -- and since this script included such vocabulary-boosters as "gynoid" and "afferent teleplasticity," I doubt it would've misused that word.

So yes, I think we are getting indications that this is not a humans-only universe. In fact, we may have seen an alien creature of a sort other than "Mossy" -- that giant-spider thing that Dutch accidentally "keyed" into the molecular printer. Which could've been some kind of bioengineered organism, or maybe not.
 
Cool, I really hope they are. I'm getting tired of all of these human only sci-fi universes.
 
Cool, I really hope they are. I'm getting tired of all of these human only sci-fi universes.

I'm of two minds. On the one hand, I agree it's nice to have aliens around. On the other hand, I'm tired of "aliens" that look just like humans, or like humans with rubber glued to their faces. Maybe what Killjoys is doing is a good middle ground for low-budget TV -- have aliens, but keep them generally as a distant, offscreen threat and have them appear infrequently enough that you can do a good job with the FX when they do.
 
It's a lot more fun if they start off a bit more mysterious, and we slowly build to a big reveal of something cool and exotic. I'm so used to the human looking aliens at this point that I'm not to bothered by them, but if given the choice I would definitely prefer something more unusual.
 
I'm so used to the human looking aliens at this point that I'm not to bothered by them, but if given the choice I would definitely prefer something more unusual.

I think they've become a discredited cliche by this point. One of the (more minor) reasons I never really got into Defiance is because most of its "aliens" were so darn unimaginative, their makeups so basic, like something out of the '70s. At least Stargate was able to justify its humanoid aliens as seeded humans, or as relatives of our own species, although it did have a few human-in-makeup aliens that didn't quite fit that paradigm.
 
People seem to misremember that one. In "Tomorrow Is Yesterday," the computer didn't have any kind of crush; it had just been reprogrammed to give reports in a sultry voice and append "Dear" at the end as a practical joke. But the early novel Web of the Romulans by M.S. Murdock -- which was supposedly taking place immediately after TiY despite Chekov being on board and the Romulans using the kind of untrackable cloaks that were new in "The Enterprise Incident" -- blew that up into the computer suddenly being sentient and having a full-blown Fatal Attraction psychotic obsession with Kirk. Maybe that's what people are remembering as the "crush," though I don't know if the books were ever that widely read even then.
I just though it easier to word it that way for an informal comment.
 
So, hang on a minute... at the end, Dutch goes into Scarback Boy's cabin for a booty call. Was he on the ship the whole time!? What the hell was he doing all the while the Killjoys were running around the asteroid adventuring, and the gynoids were taking over the ship?? Meditating?!?! :cardie:
 
So, hang on a minute... at the end, Dutch goes into Scarback Boy's cabin for a booty call. Was he on the ship the whole time!? What the hell was he doing all the while the Killjoys were running around the asteroid adventuring, and the gynoids were taking over the ship?? Meditating?!?! :cardie:


No - he wasn't aboard Lucy - they dropped him off a couple of episodes back to he could so more research on the "notes" he found.
 
Yeah, they were at the Scarback Monastery from a couple episodes back. The only one who was on Lucy at the end was Johnny.
Syfy has some "fun facts" about the episode 3.
The fun facts for episode 1 said it was filmed second, so apparently they filmed the first three episodes 3, 1, 2.
They did them for the first two episodes too, but they weren't as interesting as this one.
 
Oh, by the way, did you notice how they used dialogue to justify redressing the episode 3 cave set as the asteroid interior here? One of them said it looked familiar, and one of the others (probably Johnny, since he's the science guy) explained that some ancient explosion had spread that kind of rock all through the J (the "star cluster"/galaxy the show is set in). So that gives them an excuse to reuse that cave set as various different locations.

Or maybe it's not just an excuse for low-budget filmmaking. Since that type of rock was associated with the mossipedes, and since the asteroid was owned by a guy who'd encountered them before, maybe that type of rock is connected with the larger mystery somehow, and the fact that it's all over the J could be meaningful.
 
It's not a galaxy. It's just a "neighborhood" of the galaxy, presumably the Milky Way; a collection of neighboring stars.

In the very first shot of the pilot, we were shown the J Star Cluster from the outside before the camera closed in on the Quad. It was depicted as a compact, gold-hued spiral galaxy. "Star Cluster" must be a misnomer, or a usage that's evolved over time.
 
So the show that points out the correct term for the robots this episode being "gynoids" just whimsically decided to use a misnomer for the setting itself? Okay. Solid argument.
 
So the show that points out the correct term for the robots this episode being "gynoids" just whimsically decided to use a misnomer for the setting itself? Okay. Solid argument.

Uhh, no, the chronology is the other way around. As I said, the "J Star Cluster" was explicitly portrayed onscreen as a spiral galaxy in the very first shot of the pilot episode, thirteen and a half months ago. That episode was written by Michelle Lovretta, the series creator. This week's episode was written by Jon Cooksey. Different writers have different levels of knowledge. And a show that starts out with flawed science can improve its knowledge over time, as Eureka did in its later seasons.

It's also possible that the error was on the part of the FX artists. Maybe the J was intended as a part of a galaxy, but the onscreen image that opened the series was a swooping camera move over an entire spiral galaxy that was more fiery-hued and compact than the Milky Way. By the time the caption "J Star Cluster" appeared, we'd almost moved beyond the galaxy, but there was no particular subset of it in view at that point, and then the camera closed in on a single star at its outskirts, which was the primary star of the Quad (Qresh and its moons). So since the galaxy was the only distinct feature we were shown other than the Quad and its star, I interpret the sequence to mean that the entire galaxy is the J.

Now, it's possible that the galaxy was a stylized or inaccurate rendering of the Milky Way and that the J was supposed to be some globular cluster on its outskirts or something, but if so, the FX shot failed to convey that. As shown, it seemed to indicate that the entire galaxy was called the J Star Cluster and that it was not the Milky Way. I'm not trying to make some kind of ideological argument here; this is simply my best deduction from the onscreen evidence. And I don't recall hearing any subsequent dialogue that conflicts with it.
 
Well, now I feel pretty dumb about how I interpreted the D'Avin/Sabine scene last week. I was thinking he had the plasma inside him and, err, transmitted it to her. I forgot that his power was to repel/reject the plasma. It was in Sabine and he drove it out of her. Duh.

Some interesting revelations about the "Sixes" here, and our first look at the Black Root. The story's advancing more and more quickly. Not to mention the revelations about Dutch and how she's more damaged than even her crewmates know. Meanwhile, Sabine's story was rather touching, and the actress was quite effective. There's really good character work in this show.

We still don't know the true purpose of the RAC, though. If it's a tool of these people who are creating "engineered psychopaths" to do their bidding, what purpose does it serve? Speculatively, I'd say it might be to gain a foothold across the galaxy. You come to every system and present yourselves as a completely neutral, functional organization that will do any job for anybody, free of bias. You embed yourselves as an integral, trusted part of every society, a utility that everyone takes for granted and gives free access to, like meter readers or cable installers. It's the perfect cover for infiltrating every society with supersoldiers and taking them over from within.

Although I'm a little disappointed that both this show and Dark Matter are positioning their heroes as the linchpins of crises of galactic proportions, the only ones who can win the battle and change the course of history galaxy-wide. It's a bit too close to a "chosen one" narrative. I kinda liked it better when they were dealing with more local, personal, less cosmic problems.
 
Well, now I feel pretty dumb about how I interpreted the D'Avin/Sabine scene last week. I was thinking he had the plasma inside him and, err, transmitted it to her. I forgot that his power was to repel/reject the plasma. It was in Sabine and he drove it out of her. Duh.
If you didn't have me on ignore you'd have seen my post correcting you last week.
 
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