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News Killjoys and Ant-Man and the Wasp's Hannah John-Kamen to Play Red Sonja in New Movie

I looked up the actor to see if there was much in the way of resemblance.

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Jesus...Hollywood is perennially capable of screwing up a free lunch.
Funny, how you even picked one art piece where Sonja actually does look a bit like John-Kamen.
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Why do you even care? You had to look up what the character looks like, so it can't have anything to do with any attachment to the character.
And the only thing one could call a distinction between the Linsner art and John-Kamen would be the degree of pigmentation. Is that what you're complaining about? If it is, then,
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Not to mention that Hannah John-Kamen isn't even attached to the movie anymore. But why read the last two to three posts of the thread when you just want to dump a "hot take" based on the obsolete thread title.
 
I looked up the actor to see if there was much in the way of resemblance.

Since when did that matter? Hugh Jackman looked nothing like Wolverine. Paul Newman looked nothing like Butch Cassidy (although Charles Dierkopf, who played a minor member of Butch's gang, was almost a dead ringer for Butch). None of James Bond's portrayers have looked like the version in the novels, who was meant to look like Hoagy Carmichael.
 
Since when did that matter? Hugh Jackman looked nothing like Wolverine. Paul Newman looked nothing like Butch Cassidy (although Charles Dierkopf, who played a minor member of Butch's gang, was almost a dead ringer for Butch). None of James Bond's portrayers have looked like the version in the novels, who was meant to look like Hoagy Carmichael.

Jackman is a good actor, but he was wrong for the physicality of Wolverine (speaking of which, comic book artists and the occasional cartoon artist have - since his casting - made The Adamantium Cuisinart just as tall as Cyclops); Logan's height wasn't just a cosmetic decision...it informed his personality. Incidentally, proper casting would have pushed back against typical Hollywood casting that favors tall(er) actors.

Can't speak to Newman. As for Bond? He slipped under my radar.
 
Two birds, one stone: I quoted you and my response to your response was identical to your own.
Still looks like a quote with out comment.
Incidentally, proper casting would have pushed back against typical Hollywood casting that favors tall(er) actors.
IIRC, shorter actors more common in Hollywood. Found this article
Heightism and Success: Why are actors short and presidents tall? said:
Heightism and Success: Why are actors short and presidents tall?On the other hand, it’s well-known that Hollywood actors skew short — especially leading males. Robert Downey Jr., America’s highest-paid actor at the time of this writing, is below average at 5' 8". Other high earners like Mark Wahlberg, Tom Cruise, and Zac Efron are below average. (One of my personal favorites, Kit Harrington aka Jon Snow, is 5' 8" as well.)

Film producer Brian Hennessey sums up a common explanation:

“The dynamic of ‘shorter’ actors is mostly a result of practicality. There is more of an abundance of actors and actresses of average height so they are easier to cast. They are also by and large easier to shoot. It is somewhat challenging to frame an actor who is 6 foot 3 inches when the rest of the cast averages 5 foot 9. This is especially true when a male actor is significantly taller than a female actor in a romantic themed story.
Still not sure how Hollywood "screwed up a free lunch".
 
Can some one with mod powers fix the thread title, or is this thread going to die, once it is supplanted with a new star being attached to the project?

Rose McGowan was almost Red Sonja in 2008.
 
I don't have too much faith in the movie being particularly good, though. Gail Simone's Red Sonja is the only version of Sonja, or the Conan the Barbarian universe in general, that I not only didn't hate but actually loved. In every other circumstance I've always thought that Conan and related stuff was some of the worst shit that was inexplicably popular, just toxic masculinity in human form (Conan) or generic sexy barbarian with no personality (Red Sonja). Gail Simone did something great with Sonja, but literally no one else ever has in my opinion (not even her creator Roy Thomas, and I say that as a HUGE Roy Thomas fan).

John Layman's take on the character in Mars Attacks Red Sonja was very good, and it called out both the "toxic masculinity in human form" and "generic sexy barbarian with no personality" that you cite. I'm also enjoying Dan Abnett's The Immortal Red Sonja, which melds the character with the Arthurian mythos.

Rose McGowan was almost Red Sonja in 2008.

A coworker had the promo posters for the film that were released at SDCC hanging in his cubicle for a long, long time.
 
John Layman's take on the character in Mars Attacks Red Sonja was very good, and it called out both the "toxic masculinity in human form" and "generic sexy barbarian with no personality" that you cite. I'm also enjoying Dan Abnett's The Immortal Red Sonja, which melds the character with the Arthurian mythos.
Gail Simone gave her Arnie's Conan origin, family killed, learns to fight as a gladiator slave, finishes the arc by facing off the bad guy that put her in the gladiator pit but that heavy work of killing him was done by a no name slave that poisons him. So Sonja's efforts were irrelevant. The second arc was basically the second Conan film, Sonja's hired by a ruler, gets together a group of odd ball experts, gets betrayed by the ruler, but once again the big bad is taken out by other people. In this case the experts who the ruler wanted gathered so he could be buried with these great people. Sonja dropped them into the problem they had to engineer their own escape from. For some reason, they love Sonja. The rest of her work was no better. Boilerplate stories laden with overcooked puerile jokes. Nothing original, including removing the vow as that was done in Dynamite's first volume by Brian Reed. Popular only because it had Simone's name on it.

Amy Chu or Mark Russell were far superior runs. Jimmy Palmiotti and Amanda Conner's Invincible Red Sonja is terrific, as well.
 
John Layman's take on the character in Mars Attacks Red Sonja was very good, and it called out both the "toxic masculinity in human form" and "generic sexy barbarian with no personality" that you cite. I'm also enjoying Dan Abnett's The Immortal Red Sonja, which melds the character with the Arthurian mythos.

Well, thats certainly a response to a 15 month old post :lol: As for Red Sonja, I'm glad that the woman who played Ghost is apparently not getting the role, but my overall opinion of the character is the same. If Red Sonja is written by Gail Simone she's great, with literally anyone else she's just Conan the Barbarian as a woman, and I fucking hate Conan the Barbarian.
 
Who's Matilda Lutz? .. Okay..
So. 5''7" ... Hope she worked out beforehand because she seems skin and bones from her other pictures. No big women like Gina Caronno available?? ( big girls would like actress parts too) And still not a redhead..
Not much hope for this one ..:shrug:
 
Who's Matilda Lutz? .. Okay..
So. 5''7" ... Hope she worked out beforehand because she seems skin and bones from her other pictures. No big women like Gina Caronno available?? ( big girls would like actress parts too) And still not a redhead..
Not much hope for this one ..:shrug:
She was in Revenge, kind of a similar theme to Red Sonja, I suppose. I'd like to see her speaking in the role but the trailer is mostly visuals. I'd have thought Wallis Day or Katrina Durden would have been better suited. Well, this is the company that made Mamoa's Conan so...

Here's the trailer for Revenge. Not much to go by, though. I don't see her building up much more than Gal Gadot did. Wonder Woman has the excuse of divine origins for her power but Sonja needs real muscle power. Gina Carano looks like someone whose been swinging swords in battle for years. Matilda, not so much.

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Here's the trailer for Revenge. Not much to go by, though. I don't see her building up much more than Gal Gadot did. Wonder Woman has the excuse of divine origins for her power but Sonja needs real muscle power. Gina Carano looks like someone whose been swinging swords in battle for years. Matilda, not so much.

It's a myth that you need to be bulky to be physically strong. Bodybuilders' bulk is more for display than use. At most, it's specialized for a particular type of exertion.

A lot of the time, difference in build is more about innate body type (endomorph, mesomorph, ectomorph) than how much muscle someone has. Look at Venus and Serena Williams. Equally strong, equally powerful and fast, but one's tall and lanky and the other's stocky and full-figured. Carano strikes me as having a build more like Serena's. Gadot has a naturally slimmer build, but that doesn't make her weaker.

As for Red Sonja, she's generally depicted as fairly lean, though curvaceous.
 
It's a myth that you need to be bulky to be physically strong. Bodybuilders' bulk is more for display than use. At most, it's specialized for a particular type of exertion.

A lot of the time, difference in build is more about innate body type (endomorph, mesomorph, ectomorph) than how much muscle someone has. Look at Venus and Serena Williams. Equally strong, equally powerful and fast, but one's tall and lanky and the other's stocky and full-figured. Carano strikes me as having a build more like Serena's. Gadot has a naturally slimmer build, but that doesn't make her weaker.

As for Red Sonja, she's generally depicted as fairly lean, though curvaceous.

Sure, look at Brie Larson. She's not stacked like a Chris Evans , but she is toned and muscular. Something like a Michael Bien or Adriane Brody.

But you look at a Gina type ( shes not that bulked) you know she could kick your but just looking at her. Some average actress? Not so much.

For me it's for diversity sake. Not many roles for larger/taller/bulkier women to take. Sonya would be perfect for them. Just like Arnold or Jason momoa, or kevin sorbo.
 
Sure, look at Brie Larson. She's not stacked like a Chris Evans , but she is toned and muscular. Something like a Michael Bien or Adriane Brody.

But you look at a Gina type ( shes not that bulked) you know she could kick your but just looking at her. Some average actress? Not so much.

For me it's for diversity sake. Not many roles for larger/taller/bulkier women to take. Sonya would be perfect for them. Just like Arnold or Jason momoa, or kevin sorbo.
There's a thickness and sinew quality to the body and movement from a Kris Statlander or Gina Carano that a simply toned up actor like Gal or Brie don't have as much of. It's what I'd like to see in Sonja. Katrina Durden on the Sonja cast comes closer to that mark for me.
 
Well, what do you know. They released a promo picture.

Guess Matilda Lutz is Red Sonja. Maybe it's time to update the thread title?! Nah, maybe wait until there're a few more signs of life to this project.
 
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