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Khan Noonien-Singh in The Savage Curtain?

This discussion leads to the second big problem with the WOK setup. How could the Reliant possibly miss the number of planets in this system and fail to note the discrepancy? All the more so because they weren't just making a temporary stop - they were evaluating the system for its suitability to host a top-secret, military-backed science project?

And it's not just a matter of, "Oh, well, Ceti Alpha V looked a lot like the recorded description of Ceti Alpha VI, so . . . . " You enter the system, which contains at least six planets. You aren't interested in the total number, but one looks good for your purposes, so you call it Ceti Alpha Six, which according to everything we know and all principles of logic means that you are counting planets outward from the star they orbit and you want the sixth one out. You count six planets out and you orbit.

That means, if Ceti Alpha VI exploded, that you end up on the former Ceti Alpha VII, not Ceti Alpha V.
Definitely a "so the movie can happen" thing. :lol:
 
This discussion leads to the second big problem with the WOK setup. How could the Reliant possibly miss the number of planets in this system and fail to note the discrepancy?
I got into that on the thread I linked to above. Basically, the chunks of Ceti Alpha VI were drawn back together by the planet's gravity, and appeared at first glance to be an intact planet.
 
Planets can't explode on their own. The gravitational binding energy is so great that it takes an enormous outside force to shatter one (we're talking the entire energy output of the sun for a certain period) without it quickly reforming into a sphere. But then again, Star Trek science mostly isn't.
It begs the question of how Khan knew definitively Ceti Alpha VI exploded in the first place? They were left on the planet with cargo containers and whatever supplies Enterprise was able to spare. I don't ever recall a telescope being shown or mentioned. And even if they had one, would it have been able to spot the planet in the first place?

Can we take Khan at his word that an explosion is what happened?
 
Who says? If they're not scanning for something like that then who says they would have seen it. That's magical thinking.
They routinely spot things at light years distance. They’re not gonna scan a system where they plan to maroon people to make sure there’s no obvious threat? That’s the definition of negligent.

It begs the question of how Khan knew definitively Ceti Alpha VI exploded in the first place? They were left on the planet with cargo containers and whatever supplies Enterprise was able to spare. I don't ever recall a telescope being shown or mentioned. And even if they had one, would it have been able to spot the planet in the first place?

Can we take Khan at his word that an explosion is what happened?
You can see Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn with the naked eye. Knowing it’s vanished is plausible. Knowing it actually exploded is another thing. You could tell your orbit changed just by noting that your year has abruptly become longer or shorter. It’s basic MkI eyeball astronomy.
 
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It begs the question of how Khan knew definitively Ceti Alpha VI exploded in the first place? They were left on the planet with cargo containers and whatever supplies Enterprise was able to spare. I don't ever recall a telescope being shown or mentioned. And even if they had one, would it have been able to spot the planet in the first place?

Can we take Khan at his word that an explosion is what happened?
I'd like to think they got more than stone knives and bearskins. :lol:
 
You can see Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn with the naked eye. Knowing it’s vanished is plausible. Knowing it actually exploded is another thing. You could tell your orbit changed just by noting that your year has abruptly become longer or shorter. It’s basic MkI eyeball astronomy.
I agree with you on knowing something happened to the planet would be possible. It's the explosion part I wonder about.
 
More charitably, if we assume Khan did have a telescope (no reason to assume he didn't/couldn't make one), he may have seen what appeared to be CA6 going boom regardless of what actually happened to it, and concluded 'explosion'. Besides the fact that he'd be going on visual evidence alone, he's also a man centuries removed from his own time and unaware of the vast majority of scientific advances made while he was taking a nap.
 
Is it possible that with Khan's sheer brain power and that of his compatriots, they did something themselves that caused it? And rather than blame himself, which would be too painful, Khan shifts his self-loathing to the easy target of Kirk?
 
Explode a neighboring planet??? Using what, exactly? They toss a cargo container at it? :lol:
Hey, don't underestimate mass drivers...

Though you'd have to be mass driving quite a few cargo containers to explode a planet...or one really big cargo container...
 
If Khan Noonien Singh had replaced Col. Green, that would have meant that Kirk & Spock would have been up against not one but two Khans. That is more than enough Khan men for Kirk & Spock to come into contact with in one episode.

Two Khans would convolute the conflict for Kirk & Spock. It would make it a high concentration of Khans in the same setting.

Too many Khans might also make it difficult for the tv audience to easily contemplate who's who.

If you add up the pros and cons that the other posters have mentioned about this matter, the cons win. Inserting Khan Noonien Singh into "The Savage Curtain" is a terrible concept.
 
If Khan Noonien Singh had replaced Col. Green, that would have meant that Kirk & Spock would have been up against not one but two Khans. That is more than enough Khan men for Kirk & Spock to come into contact with in one episode.

Two Khans would convolute the conflict for Kirk & Spock. It would make it a high concentration of Khans in the same setting.

Too many Khans might also make it difficult for the tv audience to easily contemplate who's who.

If you add up the pros and cons that the other posters have mentioned about this matter, the cons win. Inserting Khan Noonien Singh into "The Savage Curtain" is a terrible concept.
They certainly can, Khan Khan.
 
Hey, don't underestimate mass drivers...

Though you'd have to be mass driving quite a few cargo containers to explode a planet...or one really big cargo container...
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