Kes Question

[Archimago]

Hi guys,

Again first things first I'm really sorry if this question/theory has been asked or put forward already (I'm always really worried to make a new thread ) I have only been here a short period of time some of you guys have been here over 10 years!

So I recently watched Cold Fire and the Gift, and made a link between them. In Cold Fire the main Ocampan (Que someone who is good at names) helped develop Kes' mental ablities. It seemed that by the end of the episode they had gone without much reason?. However, I have an alternative theory as to what happened to them. At the end of Cold Fire I was expecting Suspiria to help shift them along home? She seemed so grateful for the Captains actions but instead she disappeared back into subspace leaving them nothing. Now my theory was that Suspiria actually planted a gift in Kes' powerful mind. She limited her mental abilities to allow the power to grow then when the time was right she let her mind loose. Suspiria rewarded the crew by sending them on 10,000 light years closer to home. For me it certainly fits more than the random kill off show.

Feel free to poke holes or ask questions. I have no doubt you've considered this already Lynx haha xD

 

[Thomas Eugene]

It's a nice theory, , LOL!
I'm afraid I can't add too much, except that the guy is called Tanis.
Kes is redeemed in a few books - at least certain efforts are made to redeem her. If you read those books, the whole FURY nonsense also makes a bit more sense, I think.

 

[Lynx]

A plausible theory.

However, Kes's rapidly increasing powers amay also have had something to do with Species 8472 (I always have to go to Memory Alpha because I never remember the number) and its possible effect on Kes.

Unfortunately, the most plausible explanation exists in the "gray universe" (the place where we are right now) where some producers made a stupid decision and then came up with a badly written story full of holes and contradictions to get rid of a character as soon as possible.

As for Suspiria, the theory is plausible too but why choose such a long and complicated process? Why not send them home immediately? Once again, the events in the badly written story are hard to explain and rationalize. Not even me who has become an expert in explaining odd things and contradictions in the series can come up with an explanation.

(See the page on the Kes Website called "Voyager Mysteries-and how to solve them").

As Thomas Eugene writes, here have been some efforts to redeem Kes in some Voyager books but the best effort, in my humble opinion, is made in the story "Coming Home" which can be found at the Kes Website under the link "Kes Stories".

 

[Archimago]

A plausible theory.

However, Kes's rapidly increasing powers amay also have had something to do with Species 8472 (I always have to go to Memory Alpha because I never remember the number) and its possible effect on Kes.

Unfortunately, the most plausible explanation exists in the "gray universe" (the place where we are right now) where some producers made a stupid decision and then came up with a badly written story full of holes and contradictions to get rid of a character as soon as possible.

As for Suspiria, the theory is plausible too but why choose such a long and complicated process? Why not send them home immediately? Once again, the events in the badly written story are hard to explain and rationalize. Not even me who has become an expert in explaining odd things and contradictions in the series can come up with an explanation.

(See the page on the Kes Website called "Voyager Mysteries-and how to solve them").

As Thomas Eugene writes, here have been some efforts to redeem Kes in some Voyager books but the best effort, in my humble opinion, is made in the story "Coming Home" which can be found at the Kes Website under the link "Kes Stories".

Oh the theory about 8472 sounds interesting I would like to read that indeed.

And my only possibly explanation for Suspiria taking such a long process is her lack of power? I'm not sure if anyone else thought this but the caretaker seemed so much more powerful than her. Like I mean she got stopped by a forcefield? I somehow don't think the other caretaker would be stopped by such a thing (I know she had been shot by the gun but that only caused s temporary lack of movement). So if Suspiria did not have sufficient power to send them straight home she only had one other alternative.

And when Lynx calls your Kes theory plausible you take thst as high praise haha xD

 

[Archimago]

It's a nice theory, , LOL!
I'm afraid I can't add too much, except that the guy is called Tanis.
Kes is redeemed in a few books - at least certain efforts are made to redeem her. If you read those books, the whole FURY nonsense also makes a bit more sense, I think.

Which book does she get redeemed in?

 

[Thomas Eugene]

Which book does she get redeemed in?

Off the top of my head, I think it was the DARK MATTERS trilogy by Christie Golden. But I only have very vague memories of those books - I must have read them more than 10 years ago. Also, I'm sure there are other books, too but I'm afraid I don't know which ones.

 

[Lynx]

It's the "Dark Matters" trilogy and there is also a good attempt in the "String Theory" books which I find good.

I remember having a mail conversation with Christie Golden (a very nice person) around the time for the release of the "String Theory" books and she told me that she had to rewrite some of her original story due to the events in a certain, horrible insulting episode in season 6. I got the impression that she didn't like that episode either and not the way the character Kes was treated when she was kicked out as well.

I'm happy that there are some good authors out there who have tried to redeem the charachter Kes in some books and I'm grateful to them.

However, without being too big-headed, I must admit that I'm very happy with my own solutions to the problem in my own stories!

 

[Terok Nor]

Maybe Kes WAS Suspiria. She came back for revenge in Season 6.....

 

[Lynx]

Maybe Kes WAS Suspiria. She came back for revenge in Season 6.....

Kes wasn't Suspiria.

But the creature who showed up in season 6 may have been Suspiria.

 

[Terok Nor]

Kes wasn't Suspiria.

But the creature who showed up in season 6 may have been Suspiria.

That would work. Season 6 Kes clearly had memory issues. Perhaps she was really Suspiria suffering from memory loss and desperately clinging onto the last thing she remembers - Season 2's Cold Fire and Kes being on Voyager. Even the fact Old Kes says Voyager abandoned her makes more sense if she's really Suspiria since Voyager didn't abandon Kes in The Gift.

 

[Thomas Eugene]

That would work. Season 6 Kes clearly had memory issues. Perhaps she was really Suspiria suffering from memory loss and desperately clinging onto the last thing she remembers - Season 2's Cold Fire and Kes being on Voyager. Even the fact Old Kes says Voyager abandoned her makes more sense if she's really Suspiria since Voyager didn't abandon Kes in The Gift.

I've never been able to figure out why Kes would feel like that. Voyager never abandoned her ... Would the fact that she continued her life on a higher level of existence change her perception of life on this level perhaps? Strange.
In any case, even though I'm not as avid a Kes fan as Lynx, I've never understood the whoile point of FURY. A bad episode in an otherwise excellent show.

 

[stardream]

I've never been able to figure out why Kes would feel like that. Voyager never abandoned her ... Would the fact that she continued her life on a higher level of existence change her perception of life on this level perhaps? Strange.
In any case, even though I'm not as avid a Kes fan as Lynx, I've never understood the whoile point of FURY. A bad episode in an otherwise excellent show.

I'm the same way. I would have been content for her to remain as I last saw her....a being of light happily skipping through the Universe.

If she was angry it should have been for a better reason than 'I forgot'.

If she had to return why couldn't it have been some sort of story where the 'new' Kes comes back to help her old friends? Anything would be better than what we got.

 

[Archimago]

Agreed with all of the above. I don't think it's certain she was Suspiria but it could be plausible.

I'm sorry for not reply elsewhere this is just a short one so it's easy. I've been so so busy with work and hockey umpiring I've barely had a chance to breathe! I promise I will responsd elsewhere soon

 

[borgboy]

Suspiria being Fury Kes is a really neat theory.
I'm totally drawing a blank on Kes's role in the Dark Matter trilogy. Is she actually in those books? I'll be re-reading them in a couple of months as part of my Trek re watch re read adventure.

 

[Thomas Eugene]

Suspiria being Fury Kes is a really neat theory.
I'm totally drawing a blank on Kes's role in the Dark Matter trilogy. Is she actually in those books? I'll be re-reading them in a couple of months as part of my Trek re watch re read adventure.

As far as I can remember, she is not called Kes but is simply refferred to as the "Entity" ...
Might be wrong though ... it was a long time ago that I'd read that book ...

 

[stardream]

I think you all are thinking of the String Theory trilogy.

 

[Thomas Eugene]

I think you all are thinking of the String Theory trilogy.

Unlikely. I have never read it.

 

[stardream]

Unlikely. I have never read it.

Ok...but that book also includes Kes and 'fixes' what happened in Fury.

Maybe everyone who was unhappy with the way Kes was treated should read both trilogies.

 

[Thomas Eugene]

Ok...but that book also includes Kes and 'fixes' what happened in Fury.

Maybe everyone who was unhappy with the way Kes was treated should read both trilogies.

Agreed. But at the moment there are so many other books lined up ... mostly NOT sci-fi ...

 

[Lynx]

Ok...but that book also includes Kes and 'fixes' what happened in Fury.

Maybe everyone who was unhappy with the way Kes was treated should read both trilogies.

I've read them and they do present acceptable solutions.

However, without being too big-headed I must state that I'm still most happy with my "Coming Home" story. Despite a few flaws (which I don't have the heart to correct), this story totally do away with the whole "The Gift" and "Fury" crap and restores Kes to what she was in season 1-3 and more than that!