Kelvinverse theories and head canon

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

I came upon an interesting one on Twitter; that the Kelvinverse is told from the point of view of McCoy.

https://twitter.com/clairewillett/s...sqKdta4mRYoGKykAAgPXJk4OhjyI8IDz8zlGLDIGpyj38

So essentially it explains the characters being caricatures of themselves, and why McCoy is always this cool guy who can figure things out (how to sneak Kirk on the ship, how to revive Kirk, flirting with Carol Marcus, saving Spock's life)

 

[Qonundrum]

I'm going to rewatch 2009 again. It was a mixed bag at the time, but I did appreciate how they made it into a separate timeline as it gave them more freedom to craft events and characters in a similar yet different way. (Nimoy's scenes were pretty cool to bridge the plot and dimensions together, too.) It wasn't the most complex story, nor does Trek need to be (most of its films aren't), some sci-fantasy with red matter isn't exactly unforgiveable as I recall they played it straight (it's no worse than a Genesis Torpedo or hauling back two humpy whales to the future*), and certainly wasn't anything as messy as the TNG films were. (though two if not three of the TNG films had more potential, but before I digress...)

* where the sci-reality concept called homozygosity due to all that inbreeding and the inbreeding depression resulting from all that still wiped them out in the end, whoops. Also, cue Fleetwood Mac's "Oh Well pt 1" (a song that was GenX in tone a long time before GenX was coined and minted)

 

[Tosk]

McCoy sure spends a lot of time telling stories about events he wasn't there for. Including painful memories of growing up for Kirk and Spock.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

He's heard stories, and what he hasn't heard, he's imagined.

 

[somebuddyX]

The Kelvinverse could be a set of films that Kirk in Bill Shatner's novelverse commissioned. Space Orci and Space Kurtzman were the writers and sat down with him and asked him about his childhood. "Says here you were a stack of books with legs?" "NO, I was always cool!" "You crashed a car into a quarry?" "That's right. It was cool!" "Destroying a 300 year antique is cool?" "Uh..." Or something.

 

[M'Sharak]

Space Orci and Space Kurtzman were the writers and sat down with him and asked him about his childhood. "Says here you were a stack of books with legs?" "NO, I was always cool!"

I realize this is probably just setting up a joke, but won't it be a better joke if you don't ignore the context of the "stack of books with legs" line? (i.e., not Kirk's childhood.)

 

[F. King Daniel]

Going by the skant info we know of Star Trek Into Oblivion, the unmade movie that became Star Trek Beyond, we know they were casting a female Federation president and McCoy's ex wife. My headcanon is that they're one and the same, and McCoy's "the ex took the whole damn planet in the divorce" was a bit more literally than we thought.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

You mean she left him because she was facing a contentious political campaign? That'd be awfully low if she cut him loose because he was ruining her image or something.

 

[Set Harth]

Going by the skant info we know of Star Trek Into Oblivion, the unmade movie that became Star Trek Beyond, we know they were casting a female Federation president and McCoy's ex wife.

And they were going to be in skants?

 

[Denise]

I'm not sure where to put this, but I've been thinking about it.
In "Unification," Spock is about 140 years old. (He says he has been feeling guilty about events in TUC for 78 years, so if he's 63 in '93, then this makes him 141. He looks great for 141--dark hair, vigorous, etc. He's pretty much like the Spock of TUC. And yet, he dies at 161 and looks very much older--maybe more like a Vulcan of 200. I guess we are to understand that he aged a lot in the 20 years he was on Romulus?

I think it was a mistake to explicitly say that he was 161 in his "obituary." Is there a reason the destruction of Romulus had to happen 20 years later and not 40 years later, which would make more sense with what he looked like?

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Maybe the Genesis rebirth came at a cost - his new body would age quicker once it reached his pre-death age of development.

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

Speaking as someone who told Anthony Daniels ''STAR WARS has always been about you,''* I find this McCoy theory to be interesting yet unlikely. What I appreciate most with the Abrams trilogy is that it's more of a ''big seven'' than a ''big three'', cast-wise. It may give Karl Urban slightly less to do, but everyone on the bridge can shine this way.

(*a spontaneous answer to his own convention question. He modestly agreed with me the moment I said it.)

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

What I appreciate most with the Abrams trilogy is that it's more of a ''big seven'' than a ''big three'', cast-wise. It may give Karl Urban slightly less to do, but everyone on the bridge can shine this way.

It has to, as it doesn't have seasons of episodes in which to amass character development bit by bit.

 

[somebuddyX]

I'm not sure where to put this, but I've been thinking about it.
In "Unification," Spock is about 140 years old. (He says he has been feeling guilty about events in TUC for 78 years, so if he's 63 in '93, then this makes him 141. He looks great for 141--dark hair, vigorous, etc. He's pretty much like the Spock of TUC. And yet, he dies at 161 and looks very much older--maybe more like a Vulcan of 200. I guess we are to understand that he aged a lot in the 20 years he was on Romulus?

I think it was a mistake to explicitly say that he was 161 in his "obituary." Is there a reason the destruction of Romulus had to happen 20 years later and not 40 years later, which would make more sense with what he looked like?

I think it was something as simple as the date when Spock left Prime, 2387, means the same amount of time had passed between films in-universe as out, ie 7 or 8 years.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I like to think the Kelvin Universe is the happy ending one. Imagine if it all ended with Shatner and Nimoy as old Kelvinverse Kirk and Spock, overseeing the successful evacuation of Romulus in 2387. Everything's full circle and the galaxy is at peace.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

How would the destruction of Vulcan affect reunification? Would Vulcans be more interested (preserve our people, join with a larger group that has more resources) or less (fearing they'll be swallowed up by Romulan culture, leery of Romulan motives, etc)

 

[Denise]

I like to think the Kelvin Universe is the happy ending one. Imagine if it all ended with Shatner and Nimoy as old Kelvinverse Kirk and Spock, overseeing the successful evacuation of Romulus in 2387. Everything's full circle and the galaxy is at peace.

Gosh, that would be great, but I think this generation's Star Trek has shelved the idea of optimistic endings. It's not Roddenberry's Star Trek anymore, and that does make me sad.

 

[fireproof78]

Gosh, that would be great, but I think this generation's Star Trek has shelved the idea of optimistic endings. It's not Roddenberry's Star Trek anymore, and that does make me sad.

Hardly.

This generation of Trek is closer to TOS in that victory comes by hard work and sacrifice.

 

[Denise]

How would the destruction of Vulcan affect reunification? Would Vulcans be more interested (preserve our people, join with a larger group that has more resources) or less (fearing they'll be swallowed up by Romulan culture, leery of Romulan motives, etc)

That's a good question, Laura. I think they would still want to preserve their identity as a people devoted to logic and peace, but I also think some would be interested in unification with the Romulans or maybe one of the other Vulcanoid races like the Rigellians.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Some might also have a hard time differentiating between Nero and his crew, and the Romulans of their reality and time. Asking them to reunite with the people whose other-reality descendants are responsible for their pain and near-extinction would seem insane to some Vulcans, logical or not.