Kelvin Timeline all but confirmed

[CorporalCaptain]

The Romulan "labor class" would be the folks we saw in ST:09.

Kor

No. Ridges.

 

[Kor]

No. Ridges.

Not distinct ridges, but they had thicker brows due to the forehead appliances used in the makeup.

Kor

 

[Kemaiku]

The Romulan "labor class" would be the folks we saw in ST:09.

Kor

No. Ridges.

I just like to think of Nero and his people being part of a much larger labour force that existed throughout the Star Empire's history. The ritualistic markings could be unique to them, a sign of solidarity or ownership that does not extend to the upper classes on Romulus. Seperating them only enough from the likes of Remans and enslaved workers from conquered worlds.

I know at least some of them from the comic and movie are to indicate mourning, but they might not be the only ones they have or only reason they apply them.

It would be nice to see that wide a range of expression in their race. Considering we have about 2 Romulan groups and maybe 3-4 Klingon now.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I just like to think of Nero and his people being part of a much larger labour force that existed throughout the Star Empire's history. The ritualistic markings could be unique to them, a sign of solidarity or ownership that does not extend to the upper classes on Romulus. Seperating them only enough from the likes of Remans and enslaved workers from conquered worlds.

I know at least some of them from the comic and movie are to indicate mourning, but they might not be the only ones they have or only reason they apply them.

It would be nice to see that wide a range of expression in their race. Considering we have about 2 Romulan groups and maybe 3-4 Klingon now.

It was sure nice not to see uniform bowl cuts.

 

[JD]

The Romulan "labor class" would be the folks we saw in ST:09.

Kor

I know that, but I'd never heard most of the other stuff from the two posts before.

 

[Kemaiku]

It was sure nice not to see uniform bowl cuts.

I know, would it kill them to have a Romulan with long hair? or different hair colours for one thing.

 

[JD]

Maybe if they appear on Discovery they'll all have super long hair as a way to make up for the Klingons being bald.

 

[Kor]

They should have Kazon-like hair, only much bigger and more unruly.

Kor

 

[137th Gebirg]

Every time I read or hear "Kazon" it transformed into "Queso" in my head. Then it invariably made me hungry for Tex-Mex.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

In TNG: Gambit, Tallera/T'Paal was a Vulcan isolationist posing as an undercover Vulcan intelligence agent posing as a Romulan mercenary. She beamed down to the T'Karath Sanctuary on Vulcan with her ridges still on, which could mean there might be a small minority of other Vulcans who have the ridges themselves, like their Mintakan proto-Vulcan ancestors.

The episode deals with ancient psionic weapons like the Stone of Gol that target aggressive thoughts, so I wonder if the Romulan faction in the war didn't genetically modify themselves with the ridges as sort of a psionic defense against weapons of that sort. In the process, they also eliminated their own ability to communicate telepathically.

The ridged Romulans were always the grunts and the common folk forced to fight in the war, while the ridgeless Vulcanoid Romulans were the upper class and ruling class. The ridged Romulans were always there, just in TOS they were often in the background under the helmets. Eventually sometime after TOS, the ridged Romulans rose up against their betters and conquered them (possibly committing genocide against them), causing a shift in Romulan society, which is why we almost always see ridged Romulans now.

Did you guys make all that up, or does it come from somewhere?

The stuff about T'Paal having ridges and the Stone of Gol/T'Karath Sanctuary were from the episode, but the rest is my speculation, so you can take it with as much or as little of a grain of salt as you want.

Wow, is it just me or does the guy who runs EAS, have way to much time on his hands and take all of this way to seriously?

Well, I won't criticize him for having too much time on his hands, since I spend way too much time here and haven't compiled an exhaustive resource like EAS in my spare time. That being said, having co-adminned a forum with Bernd and argued with him when every new iteration of Trek comes out that he considers the WORST. THING. EVER. and an abomination against Goddenberry, I can say definitively that yes, he takes this stuff entirely too seriously. He loathed Enterprise and thought it was the worst thing ever until the next thing came along. He loathed the Abramsverse and thought it was the worst thinge ever until the next thing came along. Now he loathes Discovery and thinks its the worst thing ever. And it's always over superficial crap like canon or the Akiraprise or Klingon makeup instead of over whether or not one likes the quality of the stories or performances being made.

 

[F. King Daniel]

If I could change one thing about DSC, it would be the iconography and ranks. Why not use some variant of Kirk-era braids?

I agree, the pips on the badges make them too cluttered. A few extra gold stripes on those sleeves wouldn't make much of a difference overall.

 

[cultcross]

Hell, the Titan book series alone includes characters from TNG, DS9, and Voyager all serving together on the ship, and has included appearances Spock.

That sounds ridiculous. But then the small universe of the show becomes a pocket size universe in the books, which is one reason i never got on with them I think.

 

[BillJ]

That sounds ridiculous. But then the small universe of the show becomes a pocket size universe in the books, which is one reason i never got on with them I think.

The main reason I finally quit buying the novels, outside of stuff from Cox and Ward.

 

[Mad Jack Wolfe]

I agree, the pips on the badges make them too cluttered. A few extra gold stripes on those sleeves wouldn't make much of a difference overall.

Starfleet's new rank recognition guide:

 

[Ensign Ogahd Ahmganadai]

That sounds ridiculous. But then the small universe of the show becomes a pocket size universe in the books, which is one reason i never got on with them I think.

Maybe I'm a hopeless nerd, but this is one of the things I liked about the novels. The interconnectedness. And I don't care that my spellcheck just underlined that word. It's a perfectly cromulent word.

 

[BillJ]

It's a perfectly cromulent word.

Gotta love a Simpsons fan, even when we disagree.

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

interconnectedness

I think that's just your spellcheck, it's a prefectly legit word.

 

[Kor]

I wish the novels would embiggen the Trek universe instead of shrinking it down.

Kor

 

[JD]

Actually the books have done a lot more to expand the universe than any of the shows ever even came close to doing. That's one of my favorite thing about the books, the way that they have expanded things past what we saw on the shows. Hell, there's an entire book that's devoted to a year in the life President of the Federation. They've introduced tons of great new aliens, and given us some really great deep dives into familiar races like Klingons, Vulcans, Andorians, and Cardassians that have developed them way more than the shows ever did.
Hell one of my absolute favorite characters in the entire franchise has never once appeared on screen.

That sounds ridiculous. But then the small universe of the show becomes a pocket size universe in the books, which is one reason i never got on with them I think.

Actually it works really well, and other than Tuvok, who wasn't really doing much in the Voyager novels at the time, they are all fairly minor characters. Other than Tuvok and the Riker/Trois, the biggest character they brought over was Alyssa Ogawa.

 

[Ensign Ogahd Ahmganadai]

Actually the books have done a lot more to expand the universe than any of the shows ever even came close to doing. That's one of my favorite thing about the books, the way that they have expanded things past what we saw on the shows. Hell, there's an entire book that's devoted to a year in the life President of the Federation. They've introduced tons of great new aliens, and given us some really great deep dives into familiar races like Klingons, Vulcans, Andorians, and Cardassians that have developed them way more than the shows ever did.
Hell one of my absolute favorite characters in the entire franchise has never once appeared on screen.

Actually it works really well, and other than Tuvok, who wasn't really doing much in the Voyager novels at the time, they are all fairly minor characters. Other than Tuvok and the Riker/Trois, the biggest character they brought over was Alyssa Ogawa.

Thank you for saying that, and so eloquently. I was really trying to find a way to express what you said.

I feel like the novels really expand on Trek world-building, and really, with the exception of Tuvok, and maybe Pazlar, everybody on the Titan is someone Riker served with who he would likely have asked for (like Sariel Raeger and Ogawa, plus several novel-original characters).

Let me guess, your favorite character is Elias Vaughn?