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Kelvin Timeline all but confirmed

Im really surprised to see such polar opinions on here. I feel like I'm often defending shows like Enterprise against constant complaining about "Ferengi" this, and "Borg" that. And on this thread, it's a complete reverse. We're approaching 100 pages and 90% of them are complaining about would-be nervous Trek fans regarding the new series.

It's like every few pages there just Might be one comment on here displaying what could hardly be considered negative feelings about a simple trailer. And it seems anyone with any degree of cynicism toward said trailer was chased away 60 pages ago.
 
Im really surprised to see such polar opinions on here. I feel like I'm often defending shows like Enterprise against constant complaining about "Ferengi" this, and "Borg" that. And on this thread, it's a complete reverse. We're approaching 100 pages and 90% of them are complaining about would-be nervous Trek fans regarding the new series
The problems with the Ferengi and Borg weren't really the continuity as much as the sheer laziness and the uninspired decisions to go back to 24th Century Era aliens for no real reason. It was symptomatic of the naval gazing end of the Berman era. ENTs continuity flaws weren't the show's main issue, or even for me in the top 10. I'd have enjoyed an Enterprise show that was a continuity clusterfuck but was exciting, well written, well acted, with great characters and interesting gripping stories. Ditto with Discovery.
 
But they're both great episodes. One is really funny, the other quite frightening and intense. Since Enterprise was pitched as both a sequel to First Contact, and a prequel to the other shows, the Borg episode was perfectly fitting. The Ferengi episode was a humor story with top notch guest stars and well paced plotting. Both were imo very well directed too.

Why is that lazy?

Is Discovery lazy for using Klingin' baddies? Or for using "10 YEARS BEFORE KIRK, SPOCK, AND THE ENTERPRISE"?

A necessity of brand recognition in every single property has become the norm now, to an almost incrompehensible extent. This is almost guaranteed to be inherent in Discovery much more so than previous series.
 
I love TOS. I think Khan was played fairly silly in "Space Seed". A Mexican in black face who ended up getting taken down with a pipe, after he showed over and over just how strong he was to anyone who cared.

I tend to think "Space Seed" is now fondly remembered because of its connection to TWOK.
The ending is probably the biggest issue with Space Seed. Well aside from Marla betraying her crew because she's hypnotized by Khan's chest. When you set someone up as being stronger than a normal Human you can't have it that the way they're defeated is through normal physical strength.
 
Marla cracked me up. Talking about when men were real men, and painting those gladiator paintings as if she had no real duties on the ship other than emasculating Kirk who thought he was a real man till Khan showed up. The fact that it was the androgynous 80's when I first saw it made it even funnier.
 
If you boil down the Borg and Ferengi to their essence, I think they'e both interesting, and even relevant. Greed is still the driving force in humanity and having your individuality taken away for most is a fate worse than death.
Maybe not in DSC, but one day I'd like to see an all new take on both.
 
If you boil down the Borg and Ferengi to their essence, I think they'e both interesting, and even relevant. Greed is still the driving force in humanity and having your individuality taken away for most is a fate worse than death.
Maybe not in DSC, but one day I'd like to see an all new take on both.
I'd like to see a revamped version of the Borg. Something to make them actually scary again. Perhaps more like the husks in Mass Effect.
 
I'd like to see a revamped version of the Borg. Something to make them actually scary again. Perhaps more like the husks in Mass Effect.
I would re-imagine a Borg Cube as basically a giant swiss army knife whose sole reason to exist is to eat other starships. It's mainly equipped with various forms of tractor beams that follow weird loop-like paths, like tendrils or tentacles. When the Cube grabs you, it starts pulling your ship apart: it peels off the hull plating like banana, rips the structural frame to bits like a kid with a kit-kat bar. It keeps ripping your ship apart and taking whole sections out at a time, takes everything of value, and then discards the rest like so much garbage.

A Borg cube is not a "collective" of minds at all, it's a single organism made up of many parts. There is no possibility of individuality, because there is no collective, there's just "The Borg." The cube only sees individual life forms as elements it can consume, and it sees a person's brain as just one more cell it can digest and add to itself for its own growth. The people it assimilates might even keep their individuality afterwards, fully conscious, but trapped forever as part of the Borg.

A single Borg drone is like a psychotic surgeon who can stun you and dissect you in less time than it took me to write this post. They don't actually talk to anyone ever; when you hear the drones saying "resistance is futile" it's not the Borg talking to you, it's those few drones who are still conscious (well, sort of conscious) all synching up and trying to warn you. And should you be brave enough to beam aboard a Borg ship for some recon, the drones will mostly just ignore you unless they consider you a threat, but as they shamble past you their various errands don't be surprised if you hear one of them mutter "please... kill me..."

Emphasize that an "individual Borg" is the cube, not the drones. They are not interested in political conquest or wealth, and they don't really even care about planets or species. They are solitary hunters, searching for resources they can consume. When you attract their attention, they will pursue you relentlessly, they will take everything you have, strip your ship to the bulkheads, peel the flesh from your bones and plug your children (or pieces of them, at least) into their machinery to make it run faster. Anything they can't use, they'll move on, and look for something else they can eat. And you can't stop it -- EVER -- because even if you damage it, it just regenerates and comes back stronger. The only thing you can do is hide, run, or pray.
 
post. They don't actually talk to anyone ever; when you hear the drones saying "resistance is futile" it's not the Borg talking to you, it's those few drones who are still conscious (well, sort of conscious) all synching up and trying to warn you. And should you be brave enough to beam aboard a Borg ship for some recon, the drones will mostly just ignore you unless they consider you a threat, but as they shamble past you their various errands don't be surprised if you hear one of them mutter "please... kill me..."
That's the kind of creepy horror that the Borg need. I imagined a moment where a group of officers are trying to repel a Borg force, and when their weapons turn out to be useless they shoot themselves rather than be assimilated, only for the Borg to reanimate and assimilate their corpses, and the remaining few are assimilated by their former comrades.
 
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