I have the same dream EXCEPT he wakes up on the Refit A and wonders why the bridge was so lit up, and Scotty has a pet, and built a brewery in the engine room.. I really still cringe at the JJPrise.
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I have the same dream EXCEPT he wakes up on the Refit A and wonders why the bridge was so lit up, and Scotty has a pet, and built a brewery in the engine room.. I really still cringe at the JJPrise.
The whole of Star Trek is a story written by Benny Russell, and any inconsistencies are due to his mental state.
Solved it all.
Mic drop.
I didn't like Star Trek 09 but nothing about that had to do with the aesthetics of it. I watched what you guys call the "brewery" without batting an eyelash. I honestly don't get why it makes you cringe. It was built to make sure you can get a funny scene out of transporting somebody into the tubes so it obviously served an important purpose.
You answered the question in your post. What makes us cringe is the fact that they threw out what we've been shown about 23rd century engineering just to have a funny scene transporting someone through a water-cooled system that didn't belong there in the first place. I guess one could say that since the ship was like 10x the size of the prime ships that extra cooling was necessary. But the visual of the giant beer vats immediately took me out of the story. It was out of place for a ship that runs on antimatter and is powered by dilithium crystals. In fairness, there are are other way more cringe-worthy moments in JJTrek. Scotty's Star Wars pet for one.
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Also, even if one buys the cooling system gimmick, our own cars require more than water to cool them. A super hi-tech anti-freeze would have dissolved Scotty instead of transporting him.
Unless it was prior to the two mixing and being fed into whatever system was being cooled.
I think @Kevin Wolff missed the apparently too subtle humour in my post. I was already well aware of why it makes you cringe. My point was that "getting a funny scene out of it" seems like a way good enough reason to install some tubes in what's all made-up technology anyway.
In fact, do they mention it's for cooling? I always just assumed it's the ship's central espresso machine. Or is this me being too Italian again?
In fact, do they mention it's for cooling? I always just assumed it's the ship's central espresso machine. Or is this me being too Italian again?
Since I've heard plenty of reasons why it might be that way, over what's been shown before, it still doesn't bother me. Obviously, YMMV, but I don't see as there just because "giggles."
But, if it throws a person out of story then I can see why it would be distracting.
This IS real??? What comic?Something very similar happened in a comic.
I'm wanting to say it is issues #59/60 of IDW's first Abrams Trek run. The last two issues before the comic relaunched as "Boldly Go".
It doesn't exactly speak well for our little franchise when recurring aliens:
Trek - You used to have the jump on this shit. You had balls of fluff! Rubber suits! A group of uncomfortable men huddled under a blanket!
Where did we go wrong?
a) lacking the usual pointed ears/forehead bumps/face paint combo
andb) not speaking English.
Are deemed as being 'Star Wars.'
Trek - You used to have the jump on this shit. You had balls of fluff! Rubber suits! A group of uncomfortable men huddled under a blanket!
Where did we go wrong?
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You are correct
I don't think they do, but I can't get through the movie anymore to check. If it was the espresso machine, I'd be fine with that.
That's a good point. They had Tribbles and the Corbomite "baby man". Yet his pet/assistant immediately screams Star Wars.
I liked it better when Scotty's pet was a bottle of scotch...or in TNG Relics, absinthe.
Oh yes, TOS had some wonderfully weird aliens! I would love to see more of that!
This on the other hand is indeed a valid point of criticism. Star Wars had those gibberish speaking aliens everyone was okay with. Star Trek has the universal translater. They should speak English! With the notable exception if communication is indeed the point of the episode ("Darmok and Jalaad, at Tanagra!")
One of the few things I blame the "realism" of the TNG-era for. Hell, I LOVE goofy aliens, monsters and rubber suits! This is a weird space opera, act accordingly!
One of the few things I think late era Enterprise (Season 3 & 4) as well as the JJverse movies got extremely right.
Gimme' mo', gimme' mo'!
Don't forget Voyager under Braga. He totally felt this way. Wacky scifi, and almost no space opera. If not for the huge success of serialized shows like Walking Dead and Game of Thrones, I think we'd be getting something just like that. After all, BSG tripped and fell on the face of its own serialization. ("..And they have a plan". Moore: "They never had a plan".)
For serialization to work well, you need everything set in stone before the camera rolls. And even then you need to keep it short or you get something like what happened with B5.
Realizing that this is just a TV show that is being created with modern technology and modern design sensibilities for a modern audience also resolves these issues. Same timeline. Modern look.
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You can always headcanon Keenser as an alcohol induced hallucination that only Scotty sees...
There are individual posters on both sides of the issue that are sensitive. You seem to be sensitive to the issue yourself.
Interesting way to look at it . . . as a competition. I'd watch it regardless of the timeline it's set in: Prime, Kelvin, or something new. I'm a bit happier that it's Prime to be honest but I'm not feeling like I won anything. I also like the new movies and that did feel like a win because, out of nowhere, we got some new Trek! I was thinking it was dead and gone, at least for a long time.
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