Kelvin Timeline all but confirmed

[137th Gebirg]

True, but I daresay that Cumberbatch received different direction than Montalbán did, also.

Yes, one of the travesties of the character. I can't even really begin to describe how wrong Cumberbatch's Khan was on so many levels (IMO). I like Cumberbatch - I really do - but he would have been on my "Z-List" for choices in that role. So wishing they had succeeded in getting Benicio del Toro like they originally wanted. He would have been perfect for the role - again, IMO.

 

[Trekkin]

Interesting notion. Hadn't thought of that.

Well, wait until you see what happened to David and Joachim post-mortum.

Let's put it down to, say... s31.

 

[137th Gebirg]

By turning them into drug addicts you mean? Those pesky 31 guys...

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I think that Curtis delivering Valeris's lines with pure-Vulcan, thinly veiled contempt could really have been something to see.

"Let them die," you said. Did I misinterpret you?​

*shudder*

 

[137th Gebirg]

I think that Curtis delivering Valeris's lines with pure-Vulcan, thinly veiled contempt could really have been something to see.

"Let them die," you said. Did I misinterpret you?​

*shudder*

Yes - that would have been more compelling, ironically. Even though Valeris herself was supposed to be pure Vulcan, she seemed more Alley-Saavik-like in her delivery. I wonder how TUC would have turned out if Meyer's original vision of the traitor actually being Saavik would have played out. I would have been okay with it, personally, but I understand how others might have had a problem with the character assassination (no pun intended) and was probably a smart move, commercially, to change the name and actress entirely.

 

[BillJ]

I think that Curtis delivering Valeris's lines with pure-Vulcan, thinly veiled contempt could really have been something to see.

"Let them die," you said. Did I misinterpret you?​

*shudder*

Not sure Curtis would've done any worse. Cattrall was completely underwhelming as Valeris.

 

[Noname Given]

But even though Cumberbatch looked and acted nothing like the Khan we saw in Space Seed and TWOK, he was still Khan, because the movie explicitly said so. Just like how DSC looks nothing like TOS but is still the prime universe, because the creators of the show said so.

Sorry, but Cumberbatch DID very much act like Khan from Space Seed - he read the situation and acted to ensure the outcome he wanted - which is exactly what the character played by Ricardo Montelban did in Space Seed. He was exceedingly manipulative, ruthless, and overconfident in both versions once he felt he had the upper hand.

 

[Mr. Nova]

Which are both silly reasons really. The looks of the aliens in Star Trek have always been updated. Klingons, Romulans, Trills, Borg.... It's not a valid reason, it's a childish complaint. When TMP was first released, fans had the same silly outcry. No one cares anymore.

As for the way the rest looks..... TOS was made with effects and technology of that time. Discovery is made with those of this time. If the show was made to look exactly like TOS, this forum would have gone nuclear already from all the complaints.

And as for all of this Prime versus Kelvin versus whatever..... It's Prime. Not because of what I think or feel or might desperatly need to satisfy my inner geek. No. Simply because the creators of the show clearly stated it's set in the Prime Universe. You can close your eyes and ears and go 'LALALALALALALALALALALA' as loud as you want and ignore it, but that's not gonna change it.

I still don't understand why they put forehead ridges on Romulans in TNG and beyond. Were they sponsered by Lay's Potato Chips? "Romulans have Ridges!"

 

[Shaka Zulu]

CBS still owns the licence to the Kelvin Timeline stuff as it falls under the umbrella of Star Trek.

But Paramount probably has a deal or something with them for exclusivity.

For example, Star Trek Online has Kelvin Timeline stuff, but it is a licensed CBS product.

Which is why I can't understand the reason behind not setting this show in the Kelvinverse: heck, the logo at the end of the show would suggest this to be achieveable (Bad Robot/Paramount Television/CBS Television Studios.) How hard could it be to make the show a co-production like a lot of TV these days (and movies?)

 

[Noname Given]

Which is why I can't understand the reason behind not setting this show in the Kelvinverse: heck, the logo at the end of the show would suggest this to be achieveable (Bad Robot/Paramount Television/CBS Television Studios.) How hard could it be to make the show a co-production like a lot of TV these days (and movies?)

Actually CBS DOESN'T have rights to ANYTHING in the JJ-Verse aside from whatever 'crossover material was produced (IE the comicbook and story produced in it - including the Narada, the Jellyfish and the U.S.S. Kelvin itself including uniforms, characters and Bridge design as the 'diovergence happened when the Narada appeared - meaning the Kelvin and crew WERE part of the 'Prime' before the divergence in ST2009.)

beyond that EVEDRYTHING else created for the JJ-Verse belongs to Paramount and bad Robot. So for CBS to make more use of it would require some sort agreement/licensing between CBS/Paramount.

 

[137th Gebirg]

I still don't understand why they put forehead ridges on Romulans in TNG and beyond. Were they sponsered by Lay's Potato Chips? "Romulans have Ridges!"

If I were to guess, we may have had a hidden clue to this mystery in the episode "Who Watches the Watchers" when we see a planet full of "Proto Vulcans" who curiously had a similar kind of ridges that the Romulans were given. My take on that, is, that the Romulans may have been a parallel offshoot of the Vulcan race that can trace a common evolutionary lineage. Much like if modern humans still shared space on Earth with cousins Homo Erectus or Homo Habilis. Perhaps that other species was persecuted to the point of rebellion and secession during Vulcan's warlike period that Spock mentioned and Enterprise expanded upon.

We saw an ironically similar interaction between Romulans and Remans in Nemesis, the latter being completely subservient to the former until Shinzon's rebellion began. One wonders if they also somehow share some odd lineage commonalities as well, or may have been the original inhabitants of that star system that were subjugated by the Romulans when they arrived. In any case, Romulans may be simply a branch of the Vulcans greater genetic tree (as opposed to some aggressive political faction of the same evolutionary strain, like most believed). They've been a space-faring race for much longer than most of the other regional powers. I'm honestly surprised we haven't seen more lost Vulcan colonies.

The question is, why did THEY change their appearance between TOS (movies) and TNG? Ambassador Caitlin Dar in TFF had a smooth head (but she was admittedly half-human in the original script and novelization) as did Ambassador Nonclus in TUC. Something happened after that time. The Klingon problem has been explained, albeit ham-handedly. The Romulans' appearance, while not as pronounced a problem, still raises questions.

Another thing to take into account is "Reunification", where Spock appeared to walk freely amongst the Romulans in their streets and cities, without being "outed" as a Vulcan, so clearly there are still a lot of smooth-headed Romulans around as to not make his presence an oddity. Just don't see them as much for some reason.

 

[Kor]

Which is why I can't understand the reason behind not setting this show in the Kelvinverse: heck, the logo at the end of the show would suggest this to be achieveable (Bad Robot/Paramount Television/CBS Television Studios.) How hard could it be to make the show a co-production like a lot of TV these days (and movies?)

As hard as it would be to unify the Dark Knight trilogy, the Arrow-verse, "Gotham," and the DCEU movies all into a single continuity.

Kor

 

[captainkirk]

As hard as it would be to unify the Dark Knight trilogy, the Arrow-verse, "Gotham," and the DCEU movies all into a single continuity.

Kor

I think what @Shaka Zulu meant was that it would be entirely possible to get the three companies to all work together on the show.

 

[Tuskin38]

Actually CBS DOESN'T have rights to ANYTHING in the JJ-Verse aside from whatever 'crossover material was produced (IE the comicbook and story produced in it - including the Narada, the Jellyfish and the U.S.S. Kelvin itself including uniforms, characters and Bridge design as the 'diovergence happened when the Narada appeared - meaning the Kelvin and crew WERE part of the 'Prime' before the divergence in ST2009.)

beyond that EVEDRYTHING else created for the JJ-Verse belongs to Paramount and bad Robot. So for CBS to make more use of it would require some sort agreement/licensing between CBS/Paramount.

That isn't true at all.
http://www.cbsconsumerproducts.com/properties.html
They are a property of CBS.

There is probably some sort exclusivity agreement with Paramount in regards to who can make TV/Movies with that content, but CBS has the rights to that content.

You can probably find the CBS logo, or some sort of mention of CBS in the fine-print of any KT product.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

For the same reason the Trek Litverse hasn't touched (anything from) the nuTrek movie trilogy.
It's a rights convoluted mess.
They could unravel it and come to an agreement but why go to the extra trouble when they can simply do their own thing and be 100% free and in control.

 

[Tuskin38]

Star Trek Online is allowed to use content from those movies. Not sure what sort of deal they have.

One of the devs said CBS asked them not to use content from Beyond at the time.

 

[Kor]

So somehow there are Kelvin-verse comics, but no Kelvin-verse novels (besides novelizations). I quite enjoy comic books, but I would like to have a prose novel or three as well.

Kor

 

[Mr. Nova]

Not all fans accept that TOS/TMP are the same timeline.

The thing about fiction, is the creator puts it out there, but it is up to each and every individual on how they personally interpret the material. Always has been.

Someone once asked Steven R. Donaldson about his interpretation of a particular event in his Thomas Covenant novels, and his reply was something like "It's completely up to the reader to interpret the meaning of the books". I suspect most creators take this view.

 

[Mr. Nova]

I always thought that by the 23rd century, rectums were genetically removed from all sentient beings - the only remaining hold-over from the post Eugenics Wars ban on genetic engineering.

Untrue. There are lots of a-holes in starfleet. See Finnagin...

 

[Mr. Nova]

Obviously they use transporters to remove waste particles from inside the person's body and recycle them into usable matter.

"Captain, the fecal transporters are offline!"