Kelvin Timeline all but confirmed
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It isn't. Orci confirmed on Trekmovie once that that had been the original plan. Unfortunately I can't remember what article he was commenting on, but he did confirm it was true. They'd also considered having the Enterprise get destroyed taking out the Narada at the end of the movie, but Paramount said no to both ideas, and they came to realize it didn't serve a purpose.
Explorers can be quite forceful and militant....Christopher Columbus, James Cook, etcBut...but...Starfleet isn't a military...or is it???
Out of universe, yes. No explanation in universe that I'm aware of.
But he's known to history as Lord Kelvin. Why is this an issue?
The university he worked at was near the river Kelvin. He was first knighted and became Sir William Thomson, and years later, was made a Lord. So, Sir William Thomson, Lord(of the) Kelvin.
I just wish they'd tone down the lens flares... :-P
Technical corrections aside, I've always heard him called Lord Kelvin, so not sure what the issue was with the naming convention.
In my head canon, the ship is named after Kelvin Koolage, the discoverer of temperatures below absolute zero.
Yes, I can read Wikipedia, too.
I thought you said "Why is he known as lord Kelvin?" or something to that effect.
It's not an issue. In fact all I originally said was that I like the name Iowa better, after someone mentioned that it was the original name of the ship that became the "Kelvin."
Ironic, given the existence of the USS Intrepid.
He probably objected to that as well. All Vulcans do not share the same views.
Note : I edited this post to rearrange my thoughts.
Sarek never said that Starfleet was military. He simply said that he objected to the use of force as a tool for peace. He also said he objected to Spock joining Starfleet instead of pursuing science at the Vulcan Science Academy -- not necessarily objecting to Starfleet in general.
In fact, Amanda even said:
"My husband has nothing against Starfleet. But Vulcans believe that peace should not depend on force."
Responding to Amanda, Kirk countered Sarek's belief that "Peace should not depend on force" with this line:
"Starfleet force is used only as a last resort. We're an instrument of civilization. And it's a better opportunity for a scientist to study the universe than he can get at the Vulcan Science Academy."
So it seems that the degree to which Starfleet is an organization that includes military force is up for debate, even in-universe.
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Not if James T. Kirk was a new born baby because Captain Pike told James Kirk the his farther had save him and most of the Kelvin crew and James Kirk became Captain of the USS Enterprise in the 2009 reboot which prime line 2 and TOS is prime line 1 or that could make it a prime line 3 with a mix of 1 and 2 but who knows for sure
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