Kelvin Timeline a kinder, gentler reality?
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Yes, because they're coreworlds of the Federation, not like, say, the Malurian system.
The comics stories are supposed to take place in the same timeline(s). Do you mean medium?
The Enterprise held its own in battles against Klingons, and the Romulan bird-of-prey. Moreover, even the NX-01 was more than a match for some ships it encountered.
Isn't that a fascinating point to think about? Imagine our science learned that we're in a spinoff universe, and the prime timeline benefits from a more mature, less warlike humanity. It forces to reevaluate your life decisions.
The other branches (i.e. Prime universe) have more than 36,000 hours of stories. The Kelvin timeline has 6 hours of stories. If you take that analogy into account the Kelvinverse far outweighs Prime in death, destruction and World-Ending apocalypses. In any case, kind and gentler it ain't.
From what we hear, there isn't much difference in population, at least not in favor of Vulcan and probably not of Earth. Malurians should matter, too. Or conversely, Vulcans shouldn't - another one bites the dust, and another one steps forth and takes the freshly open "coreworld" slot.
Whatever the supposition, the comics aren't in dialogue with the movies - they blatantly contradict each other, and the movie makers don't pay attention to the comic writers even if vice versa sometimes happens. So I mean different continuities altogether.
Which is statistically sufficiently close to zero for comparison with the new movies, considering how the ship didn't stand a prayer against the assorted gods and beasts of the rest of TOS.
Which is sort of annoying - why should Archer's adversaries be weaker than Kirk's? It's not as if they live in different galaxies or anything. If Kirk meets cultures at "29th century level", weaponswise, then this means Archer should, too - there's no shortage of cultures, and no need for those encountered to "still" be at "28th century level" a century before Kirk.
Why? Today's science has already postulated this. It's probably true, too. It affects nothing. And somebody telling us it really is true shouldn't change that at all - it's just empty words, without practical consequences.
All sorts of prophets are always going on about better worlds. Fiction seldom sways reality.
Timo Saloniemi
Good points.
The difference, the Malurians aren't Feds, whereas you loose a founding member of the Federation.
The prime timeline is better off because they loose Romulus - a world of a foreign power - but retains the Federation planet Vulcan.
It's the difference of loosing NYC vs. Toronto, from a US-American perspective. Each would be a tragedy, but only one would cripple the US.
The difference, the Malurians aren't Feds, whereas you loose a founding member of the Federation.
The prime timeline is better off because they loose Romulus - a world of a foreign power - but retains the Federation planet Vulcan.
It's the difference of loosing NYC vs. Toronto, from a US-American perspective. Each would be a tragedy, but only one would cripple the US.
Also, the already quoted "The Changeling" where it's interesting to hear how prepared our heroes are for "any systemwide catastrophe" and "an interplanetary war", with reporting procedures in place... It's shocking to lose four billion there, but apparently by no means unprecedented.
Horrible plagues are also mentioned here as well as in other episodes. Carnage is a natural Trek feature - but if there are differences between timelines, specific evidence is called for, exactly because carnage is a natural feature, largely independent of political decisions or the like. How can Starfleet in the Kelvinverse be objectively more complacent than in the TOSverse, if the same space monsters (including Khan and Koloth) roam in both? Or is it just that the Kelvinverse Pike is a greater warmonger than his TOSverse counterpart?
Or did the TOSverse Pike sprout militaristic propaganda, too, but it just didn't sound so intimidating in the Beep-Beep language?
Timo Saloniemi
Horrible plagues are also mentioned here as well as in other episodes. Carnage is a natural Trek feature - but if there are differences between timelines, specific evidence is called for, exactly because carnage is a natural feature, largely independent of political decisions or the like. How can Starfleet in the Kelvinverse be objectively more complacent than in the TOSverse, if the same space monsters (including Khan and Koloth) roam in both? Or is it just that the Kelvinverse Pike is a greater warmonger than his TOSverse counterpart?
Or did the TOSverse Pike sprout militaristic propaganda, too, but it just didn't sound so intimidating in the Beep-Beep language?
Timo Saloniemi
Well in the NuVerse they have cured death, so I guess that could be classed as a 'kinder gentler' reality.
For the 40,000th time, no they didn't.
Kirk was only just clinically dead, and frozen in a cryotube before he could fully die. They used Khans blood to scrub the irradiated cells from his body, then a two week long coma followed that McCoy said had the worst effect of his recovery as the rest of the damage was repaired conventionally.
McCoy explains all of this. I honestly think half the people who claimed to see this movie never did.
Or we were too busy laughing our heads off?
So true imagine, insulting someone's mother to their face and in front of their husband at their son's university application interview. Vulcans have been shot for less..
Apocalypse type events including those averted? V'Ger, The Doomsday Machine, The Whale Probe, Praxis, Genesis Planet, the potential of the Romulan plasma weapon had they not stopped that ship, invasion by the Kelvins, Gary Mitchell, The "God" entity, the space ameoba, war with the Klingons averted by the Organians, planets wiped out by the Tribbles, war with the Romulans....
Prime Cadet "Jimmy-boy" Kirk got whooped by one Starfleet guy.
For his entire time at the Academy and never faught back, only taking time away from his crew to pummel a fake version over a decade later.
The good guys beat a massive wave of drones with a really loud Beastie Boys song. I don't know if that makes the Kelvin Universe "kinder" but it sure as heck makes it COOLER!!!!
That depends on whether you go by the Kelvin Timeline comic books or not. According to them, Gary Mitchell has already been dealt with, and John Harrison/Khan blew up Praxis about thirty years ahead of schedule. No, really.
Since the question which started this tangent (back in the early posts of the thread) asked specifically how many "End-Of-The-World stories" there might have been in TOS besides "The Doomsday Machine," I think we can safely rule out what happens in the Kelvin-timeline comics for purposes of said tangent.
Events occurring in the comics stories may well be relevant to other portions of this thread, though.
None of which are in TOS of course and thus totally irrelevant since my post (that you quoted) was a reply to this gross exaggeration:
Yes they are. The OP compares timelines, no stipulation is made that it refers to TOS as the series but not the movies.
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