It would be nice if some of the many who view this thread felt comfortable posting. Since they are using the spoiler tags in the TV thread, I thought we should use them here for at least a little while. Now... a few thoughts. Naturally they will circle about "mothers". Love this exchange between Watson & Black Cindy (they were talking about how prisoners were on chain gangs in the old days, which led BC to reminisce about prison movies with Italian mobsters.) in the 13th episode. Watson: Italians have weird shit with their mothers. They like, live with them for way too long. BC's response is the cliff notes version of this entire series. Black Cindy: (sighs) We all got weird shit with our mamas. Now... lets talk about a season 1 fav... AKA Suzanne Warren. Spoiler Whenever Suzanne's mother came onscreen this season, she gave me the willies which I thought was simply listening to her "politically correct" mantras throughout Suzanne's life. Someone who spouted bible verses like Pennsatucky, but who didn't understand the spirit behind the verse. Think Soso when Chapman quoted Ghandi to her, that Soso should only speak if it could improve upon the silence. Instead of shutting her up, it let loose another course of verbal Soso diarrhea that did NOT improve the silence. When 4 year old Suzanne threw her tantrum in the Maternity ward, Mommy didn't soothe her, a stranger did. When little sister went on a birthday party sleepover, her mother forced the older child into the party by guilting the host mother at the last minute. A situation that didn't make her feel like everyone else but made her feel more ostracized. When Suzanne somehow managed to graduate from high school, Mommy wasn't satisfied with just the cap & gown... she had to put HER daughter in the spotlight, on the stage, to do something Suzanne did not want to do... and it exploded in all of their faces. Especially our sweet, slightly addled Suzanne. We are used to seeing Suzanne hit herself. She did it all last season. She did it less so this season but it was still there. What made me sit up and take notice, however was when she beat / threw / kicked a drunken Poussey in the showers at Vee's behest. Suzanne: THAT'S WHAT YOU...GET...WHEN YOU... DON'T. LISTEN. THAT'S WHAT YOU GET!AHHHHHH!!!!! Why is Suzanne so susceptible to Vee's influence. It looks like she had/has an involved loving mother, but as we learned from "The Stepford Wives", looks can be deceiving. Did the white mother adopt Suzanne for altruistic reasons and realize she didn't get what she bargained for? Did she ever truly love Suzanne or was she always a piece of grandstanding she could point to show how wonderful a "mommy" she was. Over the years did she resort to physical intimidation to corral Suzanne's outlandishness, and did that in turn create even more outrageous behavior. Simply put, does Suzanne hit herself because she feels she's been bad or because she used to be hit when she was "bad"? It would make sense to me, that the TPTB would give Suzanne that kind of backstory if only because the woman (older and younger version) seems so milquetoast that we couldn't imagine HER hitting anyone much less Suzanne. But such a back story would explain why Suzanne would gravitate towards Vee. Taystee didn't have a mom and she fell into Vee's spell, whereas Poussey had a mom and only briefly was tempted into the "family" because her best friend went there.