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Kal Rekk

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Today, the 5th June is the day of Kal Rekk, a Vulcan holiday.

As we all know, Kal Rekk is a day of atonement, solitude and silence.

In the VOY episode Meld, which talkes place on Stardate 49390 (22nd May) we have the following conversation:

NEELIX: Happy Kal Rekk, Mister Vulcan!
TUVOK: The holiday of Kal Rekk is not for two weeks.
NEELIX: But it's the Kal Rekk season.
TUVOK: There is no Kal Rekk season. Kal Rekk is a day of atonement, solitude and silence.
NEELIX: Atonement. Solitude. All your Vulcan holidays are the same.

Since Tuvok states that "Kal Rekk is not for two weeks, my calculations tell me that Kal Rekk is on 5th June!

So Happy Kal Rekk to everyone. :)
 
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Why should it be the same day every year, on the Terran calendar?
Good question! :techman:

I just assumed it since Neelix did seem to be aware of the fact that the holiday was near and Tuvok confirmed that the holiday would occur two weeks later. Since both Humans and Vulcans seem to be using Stardates, I guess that neelix knew about the holiday just by knowing the Stardate for it.

But I could be wrong.
 
But I could be wrong.

Perhaps. But most reasonable people would understand it's a fictional event for a fictional race in a fictional show from a fictional date.

So we can understand it's a bit of fun.

Besides everything else is in the UFP is earthcentric - the event may get aligned to the Terran standard.
 
Which non-canon source does that come from?
The episode itself does not specify a stardate.


Perhaps a calculation based on a comment, or a graphic display?

It's corrrect that the episode Meld don't have an official Stardate.

The events in Meld take place between the events in Threshold which has the official Stardate 49373.4 and the events in Dreadnought which has the official Stardate 49447.0

A long time ago when I created a Voyager Timeline in which also the Voyager novels were included, I used Steve Pugh's Stardate Calculator to convert Stardates into Earth dates.

In that way I managed to calculate that the date for Threshold (Stardate 49373.4) is the Earth date Tuesday 16th May 2372 and the date for Dreadnought (Stardate 49447.0) is the Earth date Monday 12th June 2372.

So I simply had to create a Stardate for Meld somewhere between those two episodes with official Stardates. So i simply gave it the Stardate 49390 which is Earth date Monday 22nd may

Note also that i had to put the events in the book Mosaic (a biography of Kathryn Janeway written by Jeri Taylor) somewhere there too. I gave te events in that book the Stardates 49416.6-49425.4 which are the Earth dates Wednesday 1st June-Saturday 4th June 2372. Since the events in that book take some days, I decided to put it between Meld and Dreadnought.

I must also admit that when I rewatched meld a couple of years ago and came up with the idea of a date for the Kal Rekk holiday, i actually had forgotten that the Stardate in Meld was my own creation and not an official Stardate.

However, 5th June is quite convenient for Kal Rekk, isn't it? ;)

Perhaps. But most reasonable people would understand it's a fictional event for a fictional race in a fictional show from a fictional date.

So we can understand it's a bit of fun.

Besides everything else is in the UFP is earthcentric - the event may get aligned to the Terran standard.
I must also admit that creating the Timeline for the first three seasons of VOY was one of the most funny and inspiring things I've done, in fact it took a lot of time and I had to adjust it a few times in the beginning before I got it in order.

In fact, among the things I've done, I took the liberty to change the official Stardate for the episode Parallax.

The reason was that according to the official Stardate , Parallax would take place at Stardate 48439.7
which is Earth date Thursday 10th June 2371.

Howver, that would be almost seven weeks after the events in Caretaker which took place during Stardates 48308.2-48315.6 which are Earth dates Friday 23rd April-Monday 26th April 2371.

Since I found it highly unrealistic that it would take Janeway almost seven weeks to appoint a new Chief Engineer, I decided to place the events in Parallax a bit closer to those in Caretaker and came up with the change of one digit, to Stardate 48339.7 which is Earh date Tuesday 4 May 2371. A minor change but great benefit.

Or as Tuvok should say: "Quite logical"

The Voyager Timeline for seasons 1-3 and the page "Voyager Mysteries and how to solve them" was some of the most inspiring and funny things I've done (both thoste creations are available on the Kes Website). I'm especially proud of how I solved the problem with Voyager's waste of shuttles and torpedoes by coming up with "The Shuttle and Torpedo Building Team.

Both those pages are still under development because of certain issues I may stumple on.

So there is a lot of fun in all this! :techman:

I'm actually toying with a Timeline for DS9. But that will be more difficult since many of the episodes in this fantastic series don't have Stardates.

But it is a challenge, isn't it!
 
For any TL;DR people...

Lynx made it up. :)
"Made it up" looks and sounds too simple and a bit rude, don't you think?

I would rather call it "developed". :)

Or I can also say that I did the job Berman and his gang didn't do, which is presenting a Stardate for the episode Meld.

Not to mention that they should have given me an award for coming up with The Shuttle and Torpedo Building Team. I actually saved them there, coming up with a great solution so they could continue to waste shuttles and torpedoes during the whole series and explaining the dissapearance of certain characters. :techman:
 
"Made it up" looks and sounds too simple and a bit rude, don't you think?
For anyone who wants a long and detailed reasoning behind how you reached your conclusion, there's your post. For anyone who skips it, there's my simplification.

Besides...the date was derived by choosing an arbitrary date between two other dates taken from a fan-created dating system based on a supposition about how stardates work (and on top of that, you claimed the date of Kal Rekk based on a non-specific statement of it not being for another two weeks after the date you chose)...I don't think it's rude to refer to that process as you having "made it up", but if so let's pretend I said "Lynx concocted the date."



Perhaps this makes it all sound like I'm precious about stardates, or Kal Rekk, or both. I am not, I just like to push back against assumptions/inventions stated as facts. (Something I do myself sometimes, and I'm usually annoyed at myself for having done it.)

If nothing else, we got this discussion out of it. ;)
 
For anyone who wants a long and detailed reasoning behind how you reached your conclusion, there's your post. For anyone who skips it, there's my simplification.

Besides...the date was derived by choosing an arbitrary date between two other dates taken from a fan-created dating system based on a supposition about how stardates work (and on top of that, you claimed the date of Kal Rekk based on a non-specific statement of it not being for another two weeks after the date you chose)...I don't think it's rude to refer to that process as you having "made it up", but if so let's pretend I said "Lynx concocted the date."



Perhaps this makes it all sound like I'm precious about stardates, or Kal Rekk, or both. I am not, I just like to push back against assumptions/inventions stated as facts. (Something I do myself sometimes, and I'm usually annoyed at myself for having done it.)

If nothing else, we got this discussion out of it. ;)
Maybe the truth about it all is somewhere between my long and detailed description and your simplification. :)


As for me, I'm actually a nitpicker. When I see something which is wrong, missing or incorrect, then i'll fix it. Star Trek is actually a wonderland when it comes to contradictions and things which don't work out as planned.

And why do I do it? Because it's fun! :)

As for Kal Rekk, I actually liked that little conversation between Neelix and Tuvok in Meld about the holiday so I simply decided to find a date for it. When I did that, I had almost forgotten that I've actually had come up with a Stardate for meld since it's one of the episodes without an official Stardate.

As for the "fan-created dating system", I think that the one I've used is based on is based on something Michael Okuda came up. As you know, Okuda worked a long time in the staff for TNG.

So it's not just a "Fan created" thing.
 
Source please.
I did a quick search on Google, writing seach words "Steve Pugh stardate, Okuda" and found this:
I've changed a piece of the text to bold to stress the most important.

You are referring to the Star Trek stardate converter and timeline calculators developed by web developer Steve Pugh, which are heavily based on the official, mathematically consistent stardate systems formalized by Star Trek production designer and graphic artist Mike Okuda. [1, 2]
Here are the key details on how they correlate:

  • The System: Mike Okuda created a standard formula for the Next Generation era where stardates progress at a rate of 1000 units per Earth year, equating 1 stardate point to about 0.365 days. The leading numbers indicate the series' season, starting with 41XXX for the first season of The Next Generation. [1, 2]
  • The Tools: Steve Pugh's JavaScript Stardate Converter uses Gregorian calendar dates and inputs to calculate precise Okuda-era stardates. [1]
  • The History: Okuda also instituted the "2323 zero-point" reset (Stardate 00000.0), while Steve Pugh's personal website famously hosted these web utilities, as well as deep-dive fleet registries and encyclopedic references based on Okuda's graphics. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
 
That's obviously an Ai answer, but in this instance I'll take it as given. ;)

So I will amend my claim. I changed the part where I said supposition.

"...the date was derived by choosing an arbitrary date between two other dates taken from a fan-created dating system based on a statement from Mike Okuda about how stardates work (and on top of that, you claimed the date of Kal Rekk based on a non-specific statement of it not being for another two weeks after the date you chose)"

Edit: I'm being a bit of a bitch. My apologies, I'll stop now.
 
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Still cannot see that it is not a day on the Vulcan calendar, which is not the same length as the Federation Standard one.
 
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