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Kai Winn's political power, retconned?

With Kim they were going to get rid of him to make room for Seven, but then Wang appeared in some teen heartthrob poll, and the producers went with throwing out Kes.

Not just any teen heartthrob poll, he was one of People Magazine's 50 Most Beautiful People for 1997. That kind of came out of the blue, and someone thought it would be bad publicity to fire someone who (theoretically) was drawing in new viewers.

To be delicate here, I think People was aiming for diversity, and 1997 being 1997, Garrett Wang was the only young person with his particular background in a somewhat high-profile TV role that year.

I don't mind it being a roundabout way to keep Wang in the show, but I wish the writers would've used his supposed popularity to increase his role in the show. Removing a Doctor or Seven episode every few months to conpensate shouldn't have been that much of an issue.
 
I thought that was an urban legend.

No it isn't an urban legend that was the original plan which is the reason Kim was attacked in the last episode of season three, that's how they were going to kill him off. Then the People Magazine thing happened and they decided to get rid of Lien instead. Notice how Kim recovered so fast in the first episode of season four, if you think about it the whole Kim getting attacked thing doesn't even need to be in there as they never did anything else with that plot in any future episodes.
 
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I think the Kai is a little closer to Iran's Supreme Leader (aka Ayatollah) than a president in a parliamentary system.

That's an interesting comparison and worth some consideration. I'm not sure I'd go so far as to call the Kai the equivalent of an Iranian Supreme Leader, though -- if for no other reason than I see no evidence that the Kai can formally veto or order stopped the policies of the First Minister if the Kai disagrees with them.

Maybe it's more like the British monarchy in the late 1600s and 1700s -- an institution that's not truly politically neutral but where most of the power lies in the democratically elected parliament?
 
No it isn't an urban legend that was the original plan which is the reason Kim was attacked in the last episode of season three, that's how they were going to kill him off. Then the People Magazine thing happened and they decided to get rid of Lien instead. Notice how Kim recovered so fast in the first episode of season four, if you think about it the whole Kim getting attacked thing doesn't even need to be in there as they never did anything else with that plot in any future episodes.
Is there a quote somewhere from anyone involved? Or is it fan speculation?
 
That's an interesting comparison and worth some consideration. I'm not sure I'd go so far as to call the Kai the equivalent of an Iranian Supreme Leader, though -- if for no other reason than I see no evidence that the Kai can formally veto or order stopped the policies of the First Minister if the Kai disagrees with them.

Maybe it's more like the British monarchy in the late 1600s and 1700s -- an institution that's not truly politically neutral but where most of the power lies in the democratically elected parliament?
IIANM, the Supreme Leader doesn't have any delineated constitutional powers; what Iran's constitution does is broadly restrict what the political government can do in accordance with the interests of the Supreme Leader, without ever saying what the government can and cannot do. Nevertheless, all the tools of power--military, policing, taxation, policy, legislation, etc.--are in the hands of the government, not the Supreme Leader. What tools the Supreme Leader can use are largely his prestige and influence should he oppose measures of the government.

The British Monarchy had money, land, control of the military. It's power may have been circumscribed by the Parliament, but it had real political tools. Into the early 20th century the crown exercised strong and active powers in the broad range of diplomatic issues, which affected how Britain approached both World Wars.

The Supreme Leader is far from a perfect analogy. The Kai seems to be a religions leader only, and the First Minister has all the tools of the government. When the Dominion threatens the station, Kira offers to go the the Council of Ministers. However, it is the Kai who takes the initiative to negotiate with the Cardassians and who participates in the process of incorporating Bajor into the Federation. The episode "In the Cards" suggests that she could have approved a treaty with the Dominion on her own; consulting with the Council of Ministers was just punting the issue. There are plenty of people who have intellectual, cultural or religious influence, but who don't affect the policy of the state. Even the Popes, pre-Italian Unification, didn't influence states (except those under his direct control,of course). Perhaps the Judges of pre-monarchy Israelites might come closest to the Kai's power. Whatever they are supposed to be, understanding the Kai requires extrapolating from historical examples, as such examples are, at best, rare.
 
Back to the original question I'm pretty sure Shakaar was head of state and Kai the religious leader. She sided with Akorem and his admittedly reactionary policies and seemed to be Sisko's primary political opponent on Bajor.
 
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