Justice

[Willieck]

Watched "Justice" again last night. I think it is probably my least favourite TNG episode. My general reaction to the "children" on the planet running around in very little and making love "at the drop of a hat" induces one reaction; yuk!!!

The general storyline is just about acceptable in that it dealt with respecting other people's laws but even if Wesley did not deserve to be executed for his crime he might just have shown just a little more remorse about the serious damage he did to to the cold frames or whatever they were instead of just saying "It's alright I'm OK" or whatever it was. Rather arrogant if you ask me and he deserved at least a night in the cells to think it over, although I suppose that is what he got.

 

[Timo]

Wesley comes from a culture that discards interstellar shuttlecraft like spent condoms whenever this makes life easier and safer for people. The thought would probably never enter his mind that somebody would value material things, or be worried when they get broken - after all, repairing or recreating is trivially easy and essentially free.

Now, falling on a bed of living flowers...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[KingstonTrekker]

The episode is painful to watch from a plot point of view....but I remember watching it for the first time as a closeted gay teen and thinking that the men were incredibly hot in their "outfits".

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

I've always found the episode fairly enjoyable, but certainly no classic. However, it does include possibly the most vomit inducing line of dialogue ever uttered in all Trek. I'm feeling a little queasy typing this... "I'm with Starfleet, we don't lie."

 

[Praxius]

Watched "Justice" again last night. I think it is probably my least favourite TNG episode. My general reaction to the "children" on the planet running around in very little and making love "at the drop of a hat" induces one reaction; yuk!!!

The "Children" you mean the people who call that planet home, or the actual children of those people?

I'd give a month of living there a go

The general storyline is just about acceptable in that it dealt with respecting other people's laws but even if Wesley did not deserve to be executed for his crime he might just have shown just a little more remorse about the serious damage he did to to the cold frames or whatever they were instead of just saying "It's alright I'm OK" or whatever it was. Rather arrogant if you ask me and he deserved at least a night in the cells to think it over, although I suppose that is what he got.

Well considering he comes from a society that can easily replicate and replace things damaged, it was probably a force of habit to not think of it as a big deal..... overall it was an accident and it was just kids playing.

To sentence him to death for crossing a stupid white string was pretty stupid imo..... for stupid laws like that and having some alien species in a ship who dubbed themselves Gods.... the sex at the drop of a hat kind of loses its appeal.

You'd think they would have laid out their basic rules and laws before letting an alien species roam around aimlessly.

I've always found the episode fairly enjoyable, but certainly no classic. However, it does include possibly the most vomit inducing line of dialogue ever uttered in all Trek. I'm feeling a little queasy typing this... "I'm with Starfleet, we don't lie."

I always saw that line similar to some kid who tries to emulate their father or mother who's a police officer or firemen.... they think the world of them in an ignorant fashion in that they can do no wrong.

If he was a bit older, he'd probably realize how stupid that sounded and might have noticed Picard in the background doing this:

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

I've always found the episode fairly enjoyable, but certainly no classic. However, it does include possibly the most vomit inducing line of dialogue ever uttered in all Trek. I'm feeling a little queasy typing this... "I'm with Starfleet, we don't lie."

I always saw that line similar to some kid who tries to emulate their father or mother who's a police officer or firemen.... they think the world of them in an ignorant fashion in that they can do no wrong.

If he was a bit older, he'd probably realize how stupid that sounded and might have noticed Picard in the background doing this:

Maybe, but how would you explain Tasha's almost as cringeworthy "Drugs is Bad" speech to Wes from Symbiosis!

 

[Neutral Zone]

I find this one to a 'I can take or leave it'. It's not one of that I will go out of the way to watch but there are worse with Wesley in it. I found it annoying that he wasn't really bothered that he damaged other peoples property. The death penalty may have been a little harsh but he should have been punished instead of the crew feeling sorry for him.

Picardd wasn't going to interfere due to the Prime Directive but he wasn't going to let them execute the boy. So, what the hell was Picard going to do?

 

[Danny99]

The powers that be went out of their way to mention how much sex these people had, hiring models and the like, when the story never needed them.

I'm not one to complain about women whom are half naked, but it was not needed for a story about justice systems of planets.

 

[Willieck]

Praxius Wrote

The "Children" you mean the people who call that planet home, or the actual children of those people?

The Entity referred to the inhabitants of the planet as his Children.

 

[Marten]

I have never liked this episode. The storyline is to be honest quite stupid, not to mention unbelievable.

 

[Willieck]

I have never liked this episode. The storyline is to be honest quite stupid, not to mention unbelievable.

Go on, tell us what you really think.

(Basically I agree with you)

 

[Jonny]

I agree about Wesley being a bit annoying in this episode (to put it mildly) and it's not one of my fave episodes that's for sure.

 

[LeadHead]

Maybe, but how would you explain Tasha's almost as cringeworthy "Drugs is Bad" speech to Wes from Symbiosis!

I know everyone will hate me for this, but i liked that speech. I was a kid when TNG was on the air, I had heard "Just say no" and all sorts of Drug tag lines, but the subject matter had never been explained to me. I liked that it spoke plainly about it, yes Tasha was speaking to a kid, but this kid understood it and learned something.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

One of the better early TNG episodes, despite some flaws. It happens to contain one of the very few authentically smart things that have been said on Star Trek over the decades: "There can be no justice where laws are absolute."

 

[carlmarx]

I guess I'm also part of the few that dont completely hate this episode. Dont get me wrong, its not "good" per se, especially judging by the first 15 minutes or so. The beginning is downright embarassing. But by the end, I definately liked the dilemma here about the Prime Directive and the concept of justice.

Compare that to say, "The Last Outpost", which starts out great for the first 15 minutes or so and tanks after that. I'd take "Justice" over "The Last Outpost" any day, probably because after the beginning, there's really nowhere to go but up and it somewhat salvages itself.

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

Maybe, but how would you explain Tasha's almost as cringeworthy "Drugs is Bad" speech to Wes from Symbiosis!

I know everyone will hate me for this, but i liked that speech. I was a kid when TNG was on the air, I had heard "Just say no" and all sorts of Drug tag lines, but the subject matter had never been explained to me. I liked that it spoke plainly about it, yes Tasha was speaking to a kid, but this kid understood it and learned something.

That's good to hear; I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment, I just felt it was a little too forced here. Symbiosis is a strong episode though.

 

[Timo]

Interestingly, Wesley first directed his question about drug use at Data, in the fairly impersonal manner one usually asks trivial questions from the ship's resident trivia vending machine. Yar then jumped in, eagerly, suggesting she had a personal agenda here. She probably would have, considering her backstory. But it only makes sense that she would have had precious few opportunities to preach on this subject that was close to her heart, to practice on her sermons, in the usual UFP setting. Her speech to Wesley may have been one of her very first on this personally important subject.

And she wasn't smooth on the tongue in general - so writing a somewhat awkward speech for her would be doubly appropriate...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Jack Bauer]

I've always seen it as an excuse just to put actors of both genders in skimpy clothes. I haven;t seen it in ages but I remember being completely unimpressed by this episode.

 

[DGCatAniSiri]

I've never quite been able to get past the ridiculousness of how all crimes on the planet merit death, and none of the locals actually explain their rules to the visitors before they start visiting. Granted, that second one is a logic violation that Star Trek has often been guilty of, but it's far more noticable here than it is in other places.

And the whole forbidden zone makes no sense either - it moves around and is an instant death punishment if you violate it in any way, yet no one actually gives a purpose to a place like this, a reason why it exists, other than to service the so-called story.

 

[LeadHead]

And the whole forbidden zone makes no sense either - it moves around and is an instant death punishment if you violate it in any way, yet no one actually gives a purpose to a place like this, a reason why it exists, other than to service the so-called story.

The whole "punishment zone" is pretty wierd. The most disturbing thing is that they allow kids in those regions.

"Mom, I'm gonna go hang out with the guys."

"Where are you going?"

"The park, we're gonna see how fast we can run from
one punishment zone to the next."

"Be home for dinner, unless you've been killed by the cops for littering."