I suspect the Whedon re-writes are responsible here and, while not fatal to my enjoyment of the film, it was a bit disappointing. But then I’m a big fan of Zack “the Hack” Snyder’s DCEU work, so what do I know?
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I suspect the Whedon re-writes are responsible here and, while not fatal to my enjoyment of the film, it was a bit disappointing. But then I’m a big fan of Zack “the Hack” Snyder’s DCEU work, so what do I know?
The movie was a horrible mish-mash of two very different styles. And I blame neither director for studio dumb-assery. A pure "Snyder" version or a pure "Whedon" version would have been much better than this unholy mess, that when you come down to it, the studio is ultimately more responsible for than either director.
It was an impossible movie to make with the runtime restrictions, release date restrictions and forced tonal change.
Not really, it's more that Marvel treats their characters as flawed human characters who suffer as much from internal conflict than anything else. The DC characters are treated in a pretentious manner wherein the characters are rarely in any real danger (Justice League, Wonder Woman) and we ignore that because we're meant to be swept up in the "mythic" nature of it all.
B+
On vacation and finally decided to go see it and honestly, I liked it and honestly don't see why the 'professional' critics were so hard on it. Yes, the Villain is one-note and just there to be the foil and be powerful enough to give the entire group the need to come together, and work together to stop him/save the world. <--- And that type of plot is nothing new to either WB DCEU or Disney marvel films.
Every character had his 'moment' in the film and I'm thankful that they didn't go into all the new origin stories (via flashback as Snyder loves to do) - and each got a mention of how/why they have the abilities they do in ways that worked for the story. One of my big beefs with BvS was - did we REALLY need to see Batman's origin story again?
If scenes like that were what was cut to get the movie to around a to hour running time - kudos to the editor.
I also liked the character banter in the film, and LOVED that this time I felt I saw the Superman I know; doing very 'Superman stuff'. Here was the character I would have liked to have seen in MoS and BvS so nice they finally put him in a current film.
I also liked the bits of character development both Batman and Wonder Woman got - it worked well for the story.
To that, I also don't see Ben Afleck 'phoning it in'. he seemed to be playing the charter the way he has since he took the role, and it was fine. I hope he decides to stick with it. I also love how they did Cyborg, and liked the actor playing him.
All in all, I thought it was an enjoyable film. I hope WB doesn't shelve the DCEU, but time and box office will tell.
On vacation and finally decided to go see it and honestly, I liked it and honestly don't see why the 'professional' critics were so hard on it. Yes, the Villain is one-note and just there to be the foil and be powerful enough to give the entire group the need to come together, and work together to stop him/save the world. <--- And that type of plot is nothing new to either WB DCEU or Disney marvel films.
Every character had his 'moment' in the film and I'm thankful that they didn't go into all the new origin stories (via flashback as Snyder loves to do) - and each got a mention of how/why they have the abilities they do in ways that worked for the story. One of my big beefs with BvS was - did we REALLY need to see Batman's origin story again?
If scenes like that were what was cut to get the movie to around a to hour running time - kudos to the editor.
I also liked the character banter in the film, and LOVED that this time I felt I saw the Superman I know; doing very 'Superman stuff'. Here was the character I would have liked to have seen in MoS and BvS so nice they finally put him in a current film.
I also liked the bits of character development both Batman and Wonder Woman got - it worked well for the story.
To that, I also don't see Ben Afleck 'phoning it in'. he seemed to be playing the charter the way he has since he took the role, and it was fine. I hope he decides to stick with it. I also love how they did Cyborg, and liked the actor playing him.
All in all, I thought it was an enjoyable film. I hope WB doesn't shelve the DCEU, but time and box office will tell.
It was necessary for the "Martha" bit...so there was some stupid logic to it.
And BTW....
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How ‘Justice League’ Became a ‘Frankenstein’ (Exclusive)
This was already posted in the other DC movies topic, but I thought it should be here too. It points out all the problems that plagued the JL film before it even was completed.
This was already posted in the other DC movies topic, but I thought it should be here too. It points out all the problems that plagued the JL film before it even was completed.
I'm sorry if this was talked about earlier, but 23 pages is a lot to scroll through...
There is a pretty significant plothole--
How did they explain the return of Clark Kent?
There is a pretty significant plothole--
How did they explain the return of Clark Kent?
Flash ran back in time and appeared in Perry White's office yelling "Stop the Press!" just as he was about to write the obituary.
How Clark returns to the Daily Planet is better suited to the next Superman solo movie. In the comics the cover story was he was discovered living in a bomb shelter. That was hidden under battle rubble from the fight with Doomsday.
I saw the movie this morning, and I really enjoyed it.
I've enjoyed all of the DCEU movies, this was my one of my favorites so far, tied with WW.
This movie did a lot to bring Batman and Superman more into line with the characters we are familiar with from the comics. It was nice to see the characters really focus on being heroes.
I wasn't sure about how they were going to introduce Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg in this movie, but I thought they managed to pull it off pretty well. They gave us enough of the backgrounds to know who they are and what they can do, but didn't drag things out with their full origin stories. After what we got here I'm really looking forward to deeper explorations of the characters in their solo movies.
Flash and Aquaman were both a lot of fun.
They did a great job of giving all of the heroes a chance to shine and making them feel like they had a part to play in the team fights.
As is normal for a Zack Snyder movie this one had some great action scenes. The big Amazon and Atlantis fights, and the big battle at the end were definite highlights.
I don't see why the was so ripped apart by the critics, I admit it was definitely not as good as the best of the Marvel movies, but it was still enjoyable. It's also disappointing that it did do better box office numbers, because I think it shows that there is a lot of potential in this version of the DC Universe, and I'd really like to see it continue in this form.
I voted A in the poll.
I've enjoyed all of the DCEU movies, this was my one of my favorites so far, tied with WW.
This movie did a lot to bring Batman and Superman more into line with the characters we are familiar with from the comics. It was nice to see the characters really focus on being heroes.
I wasn't sure about how they were going to introduce Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg in this movie, but I thought they managed to pull it off pretty well. They gave us enough of the backgrounds to know who they are and what they can do, but didn't drag things out with their full origin stories. After what we got here I'm really looking forward to deeper explorations of the characters in their solo movies.
Flash and Aquaman were both a lot of fun.
They did a great job of giving all of the heroes a chance to shine and making them feel like they had a part to play in the team fights.
As is normal for a Zack Snyder movie this one had some great action scenes. The big Amazon and Atlantis fights, and the big battle at the end were definite highlights.
I don't see why the was so ripped apart by the critics, I admit it was definitely not as good as the best of the Marvel movies, but it was still enjoyable. It's also disappointing that it did do better box office numbers, because I think it shows that there is a lot of potential in this version of the DC Universe, and I'd really like to see it continue in this form.
I voted A in the poll.
Nope, and since it's stated Superman was dead for a year they can't use the "I was trapped under rubble and survived on whatever food was in the buildings that also collapsed underground" excuse in the comics because there he was only gone for like 1 month or something.
Lots of movies have production problems, Star Wars included. While it increases the chances of it being bad, it's not a good indicator for whether a movie will be good or bad.
If you guys can write it, how would you guys explain Clark's return
They haven't. It didn't show Clark working in the Daily Planet, just walking around. It'll likely be explained in a future movie. They could say "John Doe" died, and everyone thought he was Clark since they look similar; and the "real Clark" is alive in a hospital somewhere. Maybe Cyborg or Batman can fake some records for "John Doe". Who knows.
If you guys can write it, how would you guys explain Clark's return
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He got amnesia and spent the last year wandering around, then got his memories back and came home.
How about Clark working undercover, as an investigative reporter, finding the truth about the parademons and the kidnappings. He could say he gave some info to the Justice League that help stopped Steppenwolf. After the JL won, he returned to work and wrote a story about them in the Daily Planet. Bruce could help Clark with all the details and let Clark take credit as a way of explaining Clark's absence.
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That amnesia idea will probably work better. Best keep things simple.
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That amnesia idea will probably work better. Best keep things simple.
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He was undercover as a parademon?
As an AmazonHe was undercover as a parademon?
Heh, even less likely.
He was in TAHITI.
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