Spoilers Justice League - Grading and Discussion
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If that's true, this isn't going to help
:http://www.superherohype.com/news/408133-justice-league-actual-weekend-result-lower-at-94-million
I still live in hope that word of mouth that this film is far better than the critics think, will give it legs.
Because they were fired and replaced before they completed 90% of Principal Photography.
See the following, which outlines the whole situation:
Han Solo: The DGA Rule That Explains Lord and Miller’s Mid-Production Firing
JL has made $96 million domestic and $185 million internationally. That's $281 million worldwide and the film only opened this past Friday. Domestically, returns were lower than expected, but overseas it's doing good. WW didn't have the biggest opening either, but it went on to make a lot domestically as well.If that's true, this isn't going to help
http://www.superherohype.com/news/408133-justice-league-actual-weekend-result-lower-at-94-million
I still live in hope that word of mouth that this film is far better than the critics think, will give it legs.
I'm doing my part to get the word out and I am encourgaing all my friends (irl and on social media) and coworkers to go see it. JL's only real competion is Star Wars and that opens on December 15th. There's plenty of time.
I am hearing these numbers are going down when the actuals come in. Which is TERRIBLE news for people hoping for legs - means the movie did below the already lowered expectations on Sunday. Yikes. Expect a 60-80% drop next weekend.
Are you sure that $185 million isn't inclusive of the US total?
Yes, I'm sure.
http://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Justice-League-(2017)#tab=box-office
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=dcfilm1117.htm
Idk, mate. Pixar doesn't have it like it used to. Cars 3 and The Good Dinosaur were nothing to write home about. And the previous Dead of the Dead film aimed at kids, "The Book of Life"; didn't really set the world on fire.
Actually, I feel that the MCU has become a clusterfuck and a mess. I've pretty much given hope on that franchise. And I suspect that the DCEU will follow it down that road.
If only WB had allowed Whedon to stick completely with Snyder's vision, "Justice League" could have been a better film. But the studio didn't. Which is why it's not as good as it could have been. I could easily see Whedon's MCU style within the narrative every now and then.
For me, it's not the artistic disaster that "Thor: Ragnarok" was and the previous two years of MCU films have become, but it could have been better without the meddling. And since WB will probably change its style in order to placate the public who wants their comic book movies more formulaic and lacking in any real challenging narratives, I don't see myself enjoying any comic book movies in the near future. Not really. Unless "Black Panther" proves to be an interesting film.
Oh, I'm about the farthest one can get from a Pixar partisan, and I'm surprised to see that Cars 3 and The Good Dinosaur both made less than half what Inside Out did, but I have a feeling Coco may wind up closer to the latter than the former. Even if it doesn't become an all-ages smash, though, I do suspect many families with younger kids will opt for Coco over Justice League this holiday weekend.
Well there's two ways this can go now:
1) WB executives will drop the panicky reactionary interfering attitude and trying to get to billion dollar movies ASAP by any means necessary, and instead start releasing unique films by diverse creative voices and slowly building up a broad franchise.
2) Welcome to Batman Extended Universe featuring Wonder Woman.
1) WB executives will drop the panicky reactionary interfering attitude and trying to get to billion dollar movies ASAP by any means necessary, and instead start releasing unique films by diverse creative voices and slowly building up a broad franchise.
2) Welcome to Batman Extended Universe featuring Wonder Woman.
#2 is my biggest fear as well. Just look at the current animated movie list DC puts out, and the number of events and titles under the Bat line in the comics.
That's another reason I've been trying to get as many people as I can to support JL. I don't want the WB/DC films to repeat the mistake Paramount made with Star Trek. That is, having no faith in the IP (by comparison to Disney and Fox before them, faith in Star Wars) and just remaking the same movie over and over and over. For DC that would be nothing but Batman films. For Trek, it's "guy who wants revenge". The last 6 Trek movies have all followed this model. All trying to recapture the lightning in the bottle success of the original Trek revenge movie, TWOK.
Personally I think the poor box office has less to do with the reviews or people being turned off by the DCEU, than just the fact the marketing and trailers for this movie never made it look very good.
Hell, I'm a huge DC fan who's been looking forward to seeing a JL movie forever, and even I had a hard time getting excited for this. There never appeared to be any actual story, the villain seemed lame from the beginning, and the whole thing just looked a bit cheap and videogamey.
All the reviews probably did was confirm for people that the movie was as disappointing as it looked.
Hell, I'm a huge DC fan who's been looking forward to seeing a JL movie forever, and even I had a hard time getting excited for this. There never appeared to be any actual story, the villain seemed lame from the beginning, and the whole thing just looked a bit cheap and videogamey.
All the reviews probably did was confirm for people that the movie was as disappointing as it looked.
https://theplaylist.net/petition-zack-snyder-cut-justice-league-20171120/
Now it looks like the movie needs $750 million to make money. YIKES.
Now it looks like the movie needs $750 million to make money. YIKES.
I enjoy Cavill's portrayal a great deal, probably more than Reeve's at this point. Cavill brings some nuance and a sense of an inner life to the part.
There's always a little element of "what's he going to say/do" sort of suspense to watching his portrayal.
I mean, you could see "Do you bleed?" coming about a beat and a half early but he even sold that.
He's a pretty versatile actor for a guy who's so ridiculously good looking.
Agreed. Other than in BvS where the story required him to be overly stern and confrontational, I think Cavill has been absolutely fantastic in the role.
He just had an inherent likability in MOS, and his Superman comes across as this very honorable and humble guy...who can still be a complete badass when he needs to be. And I really hope we get to see more of that.
OK, so that was a thing that I sat through...I guess?
Not terrible, but not exactly good either. Competent about sums it up I think. Nowhere near as bloated or misanthropic as MoS & BvS nor as shallow and unfocused as Suicide Squad. It has much more self awareness and a sense of humour about itself, which is all well and good but the trade-off seems to be a lack of ambition and depth. It's pretty bland to be honest. Say what you will about Snyder's movies (and I can say quite a bit, not all of it good) but at least he has a sense of visual style that Whedon appears to lack.
Yet again Bruce and Diana are the best thing about these movies and while the other characters do better than I'd expected, they all suffer from not already having their own solo movie prior to this. Cyborg is probably an exception since his genesis is so closely tied to the plot of this movie, but he and/or his father could at least have been used as a side character in a Flash movie prior to his accident or something. I mean it's STAR Labs, no?
Aquaman suffers the most on that front I think. The cliff notes version of his backstory he got here is an almost painful exposition dump with not a lot of context or reason to care.
Oh and yeah, obvious super-CG lip is obvious. I mean wouldn't it have been cheaper to just shave it off and pay for a *really* good fake 'stache he could wear in the other movie he was doing at the time?
Not terrible, but not exactly good either. Competent about sums it up I think. Nowhere near as bloated or misanthropic as MoS & BvS nor as shallow and unfocused as Suicide Squad. It has much more self awareness and a sense of humour about itself, which is all well and good but the trade-off seems to be a lack of ambition and depth. It's pretty bland to be honest. Say what you will about Snyder's movies (and I can say quite a bit, not all of it good) but at least he has a sense of visual style that Whedon appears to lack.
Yet again Bruce and Diana are the best thing about these movies and while the other characters do better than I'd expected, they all suffer from not already having their own solo movie prior to this. Cyborg is probably an exception since his genesis is so closely tied to the plot of this movie, but he and/or his father could at least have been used as a side character in a Flash movie prior to his accident or something. I mean it's STAR Labs, no?
Aquaman suffers the most on that front I think. The cliff notes version of his backstory he got here is an almost painful exposition dump with not a lot of context or reason to care.
Oh and yeah, obvious super-CG lip is obvious. I mean wouldn't it have been cheaper to just shave it off and pay for a *really* good fake 'stache he could wear in the other movie he was doing at the time?
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Not possible. Paramount and Tom Cruise mandated that Cavill wasn't allowed to shave his mustache, because of the role he's playing in Mission Impossible 6. Paramount and Cruise were just being dicks. With Paramount's current situation, just about every movie they've released in the last 18-20 months under performing or flopping at the BO (Transformers 5, Star Trek Beyond, Baywatch, Ghost In The Shell, Monster Trucks, TMNT 2, Zoolander 2 etc), Mission Impossible is the last money making IP they have. Why should they inconvenience themselves, when they can inconvenience WB and have them spend their own coin to digitally remove Cavill's mustache from one of WB's presumed biggest films for this year?
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Well, as promised I made my second trip to see Justice League, this time in 3D. I'd like to report that I found the cinema full, but alas there were maybe 25 others in there with me and it was a Monday night 7.30 showing 
. Though it has been miserable weatherwise all day here in Britain, but it had eased off.
. Though it has been miserable weatherwise all day here in Britain, but it had eased off.
Well, as promised I made my second trip to see Justice League, this time in 3D. I'd like to report that I found the cinema full, but alas there were maybe 25 others in there with me and it was a Monday night 7.30 showing
There is no more hoping against hope. The movie isn't a smash hit.
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