Just watched Friendship One

[Xerxes1979]

Friendship One was a good episode because the plot could have worked or been rewritten for any Star Trek series.

It seems shockingly good because season seven was by in large crap.

 

[froot]

Friendship One was a good episode because the plot could have worked or been rewritten for any Star Trek series.

It seems shockingly good because season seven was by in large crap.

Wait a moment: I thought the whole "problem" with VOY was that many of its plots COULD be rewritten to fit into other Star Trek series, which was bad because their situation was unique.

You Internet folk confuse me.

 

[Guy Gardener]

It's like drinking generic bourbon, as long as you think it's Jim Beam you don't care what Hercules says.

 

[I am not Spock]

Only a couple of times in Voyager was I shocked at the demise of recurring characters. One was Hogan in Basics Part 2. We'd seen the guy on several occasions before that, and I assumed he was safe. But no, dinosaur food!

Another was Durst in 'Faces'. He appeared in the episode before that, so he wasn't a total no name. What's more, the manner of his doom was particularly nasty and creepy and Hannibal Lecter-ish that it stayed in my mind.

The third was Carey. Though, I did think it unfair and pointless to bring him back after all these years, just to off him. I would have picked Vorik!

 

[I am not Spock]

Only a couple of times in Voyager was I shocked at the demise of recurring characters. One was Hogan in Basics Part 2. We'd seen the guy on several occasions before that, and I assumed he was safe. But no, dinosaur food!

Another was Durst in 'Faces'. He appeared in the episode before that, so he wasn't a total no name. What's more, the manner of his doom was particularly nasty and creepy and Hannibal Lecter-ish that it stayed in my mind.

The third was Carey. Though, I did think it unfair and pointless to bring him back after all these years, just to off him. I would have picked Vorik!

 

[Kinggodzillak]

The final non-flashback appearance of Carey was in State of Flux, where he was last seen being confined to quarters. I just assumed they forgot to let him out again until season 7, and he passed the time building that ship in a bottle...

JANEWAY: "Chakotay, I've been going through the crews' personal messages that Starfleet relayed to us, but I think they've made a mistake - who's this Ensign Carebear we keep getting letters for?"

CHAKOTAY: "It's Carey, Captain, Lt Carey."

JANEWAY: "Right, right - who is he?"

CHAKOTAY: "Surely you remember - curly-haired guy engineer guy? He was quite prominent in the first few months after we got stuck out here."

JANEWAY: "I barely remember what happened the previous episode, never mind six years ago. Remind me."

CHAKOTAY: "Well, he stopped a warp core breach the Caretaker caused, saving the entire ship and everyone on it, and you rewarded him by screwing him out of the Chief Engineer's job and giving it to B'Elanna. After she'd broken his nose."

JANEWAY: (laughs) "Yeah, that sounds like something I'd do. Wish I could remember it. So what happened to him?"

CHAKOTAY: (thinks) "If I remember correctly, we confined him to quarters during that whole business with Seska defecting to the Kazon, just in case he was the spy."

JANEWAY: "Wise precaution. Did we ever let him out again?"

CHAKOTAY: *thinks for a long time, then shrugs*

JANEWAY: "Oh. Oh dear..."

 

[DonIago]

It's funny because it's true.

 

[Gil T.Azell]

I liked it , but now I have that song that the toy played stuck in my head,

 

[Ensign Johnson]

I thought it was funny they brought Carey back just to kill him. But maybe funny wasn't what they were going for.

I agree with Admiral Shran, Samantha Wildman would have been a better choice to kill off. Although to be honest I thought she was dead the first time I watched Voyager because I'd watched them in an odd order.

Admiral Janeway only went back in time to save Seven anyway (and probably to stop her marrying Chakotay).

 

[SpyOne]

I don't know whether I think it's crazier that they brought Joe back just to kill him, or that Janeway shows up just a couple weeks later to save everyone but apparently couldn't show up just a bit earlier to prevent Joe's utterly pointless death.

And Janeway's speech at the end...oy gevalt.

I was right there with you until I saw someone present the arguement that Future Janeway chose the time she did because she knew that she could convince Past Janeway then, and no sooner. Carey's death is the event that made Janeway receptive to the idea that some sacrifices are not worth the cost, and sometimes it is the principles that should be sacrificed.
Not sure I agree with the decision, but I agree that Carey's death may have caused Janeway to be more receptive to the idea, and it makes the timing of Future Janeway's visit make A LOT more sense.

 

[DonIago]

Well, that opens a whole can of worms on the ethics of letting someone else die knowing it will lend credence to your own argument.

 

[Guy Gardener]

That's how Lister convinced Kennedy to shoot himself from the grassy knoll in Dallas '63.