Just watched all of DS9 in a week.

[Bluesteel]

All I can say is dammit. I'm going to miss it. Weyoun and Damar bantering. Julian and O'Brien playing around. The arrogance of Julian. Garak and his lies.

There is something I want to know though.

1: What was up with all of the Prophet/Wraith stuff? I just found it annoying after a while. Especially when they went deus ex machin and took out the Dominion.

2: Was there any reason for all the stick the Cardassians get? They reform their government. They get invaded by the Klingon Empire and the Maquis harrass their civilians. No one willing to help them. They only people willing to do so are the Dominion which causes everyone to consider them traitors. Their Empire is in ruin. Their people massacred and now they are occupied. I kind of liked them. They were a very young civilization that managed to advance quite quickly compared to the Bajorans who seem to have a long time to progress at doing anything. 500,000 year civilization and all they can do was build inadequate ships.

3: Why did the writers feel the need to ruin Ferengis? DS9 Ferengis were so cool in that they were greedy. Their whole life and economy was based on pure and unadulterated greed with a touch of misogyny. Some of the best moments on DS9 was finding how ludicrous Ferengis can be. Praying to a supernatural account and praising his greed. Bribing him to get into Heaven made up of Latinum.

But then for some reason they felt the need to make them more Federation. Nog became ashamed of being Ferengi. Rom imitated Humans and Moogie became the champion of equality. Almost has if they were echoing Eddingtons word. The Federation was culturally assimilating the Ferengis.

 

[tomalak301]

I'm sure you're going to get offended and I apologize in advance but I have to ask these 3 questions:

1) Do you eat

2) Do you sleep

3) What else did you do this week other than watch DS9, like did you have a job.

I'm happy for your enthusiasm, but watching all of DS9 in a week takes some doing.

 

[RyuRoots]

tomalak301, I think those are legitimate questions. I mean, JESUS, man. I mean...I'm glad you liked it I guess, but I think you lose something when you shove that much story into that little time.

1. Bajoran religion has been a part of DS9 since the very first episode.

2. Cardassians were largely the recurring antagonists of DS9. They have good people in the empire, but the military has a loud voice in Cardassian affairs, and the military is very aggressive.

3. First off, Nog was never ashamed at his culture. Embarrassed by Quark's cowardice in The Siege of AR-558? Sure. Proud of being in Starfleet and being a part of something bigger than himself? Definitely. But being ashamed of what he came from? Not that I can remember. Hell, he embraced both the Federation and Ferengi, if anything. Did you watch Treachery, Faith, and the Great River (or whichever one had the funny desk scene)? And Rom was a good person, but not a good Ferengi. This is something that's a progression throughout the show. And Moogie was NEVER happy with how women and some other matters were treated. She just used clout she had, being with the grand nagus to do something about it. The changes in Ferengi society were completely independent. The most active thing the Federation did was letting root beer get sent to DS9.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

2: Was there any reason for all the stick the Cardassians get? They reform their government. They get invaded by the Klingon Empire and the Maquis harrass their civilians. No one willing to help them. They only people willing to do so are the Dominion which causes everyone to consider them traitors. Their Empire is in ruin. Their people massacred and now they are occupied. I kind of liked them.

Ha...THANK YOU! I always though the Federation should've been far more aggressive when it came to the Klingon invasion of Cardassia. That, I think, might've led to a different outcome on a lot of fronts...

But I second others' questions. How the HELL did you do that in one week???

 

[happydave]

Lets see, a season a day.

26 episodes a day (of course 20 in Season 1).

Which leaves about 4.5 hours of 'extra' time a day.



Nog wasn't ashamed of being a Ferengi, Treachery, Faith & The Great River (Season 7) shows that he's able to embrace his Ferengi skills to help Starfleet.

 

[Bluesteel]

The thing with Nog is that one episode he acts and behaves like we would expect of a Ferengi then an another episode he seems ashamed. AR-558 definitely made me think he was ashamed. He was ashamed when Quark came to visit him on the Bridge. He's more determined to impress the Humans. One line that sticks out for me is what Quark said to him after Nog refused the food he brought him because he wanted to earn the respect of the humans.

"At the price of your soul?"

I'm sure you're going to get offended and I apologize in advance but I have to ask these 3 questions:

1) Do you eat

2) Do you sleep

3) What else did you do this week other than watch DS9, like did you have a job.

I'm happy for your enthusiasm, but watching all of DS9 in a week takes some doing.

Yes I do eat and sleep. I left my job two weeks ago because I'm going to college in September. I wanted to have two weeks of fun. One week of that was DS9. Something I planned for a while. Pretty fun after a year of waking up at 1 am and walking 5 miles to work that is really boring.

It's actually pretty easy to watch them. Each DVD has 4 episodes. After watching two episodes or a really intense episode I would refill my water bottle and smoke three cigarettes just to let the show sink in. I saved time by fast forwarding the opening and ending credits and FF some of the really annoying Ferengi episodes.

 

[TheGodBen]

2: Was there any reason for all the stick the Cardassians get? They reform their government. They get invaded by the Klingon Empire and the Maquis harrass their civilians. No one willing to help them. They only people willing to do so are the Dominion which causes everyone to consider them traitors. Their Empire is in ruin. Their people massacred and now they are occupied. I kind of liked them. They were a very young civilization that managed to advance quite quickly compared to the Bajorans who seem to have a long time to progress at doing anything. 500,000 year civilization and all they can do was build inadequate ships.

Firstly, the Federation couldn't interfere militarily because it was an external conflict and the Prime Directive forbids them from getting involved, although they did call off their 80-year alliance with the Klingons and assisted by sending medical supplies and replicators. You also have to remember that the Maquis were fighting against the Cardassians because of the oppression they were under, if the Carddies had let the colonists live freely then the Maquis wouldn't have risen up. And the Klingons invaded because they were being influenced by Changling-Martok, so that was never a just war.

Personally, I think that the story of the Cardassians is one of the greatest things about DS9 because their race came full-circle. At the beginning they were an oppressive regime that occupied alien worlds and murdered the indigenous population, by the end of the show they were an oppressed people fighting for their freedom and forced to accept help from the people that had once risen up against them. It was beautifully realised, in my opinion.

GARAK: Some may say that we've gotten just what we deserved. After all, we're not entirely innocent, are we? And I'm not just speaking of the Bajoran occupation. No, our whole history is one of arrogant aggression. We've collaborated with the Dominion, betrayed the entire Alpha Quadrant. Oh, no, no. There's no doubt about it. We're guilty as charged.

 

[Timofnine]

Wow, that's a lot of viewing ours in 7 days... I think the most I could ever manage is about 4 episodes per day, and that was at my peak as a fan. Maybe you should have watched the series again over a longer period of time, digested things a bit more?

 

[Bluesteel]

Wow, that's a lot of viewing ours in 7 days... I think the most I could ever manage is about 4 episodes per day, and that was at my peak as a fan. Maybe you should have watched the series again over a longer period of time, digested things a bit more?

I learnt how to watch a lot from my Dragonball days. I could watch episode after episode after episode of Dragonball Z and Stargate. It's a nice break from reality. That way when you go outside everything looks bright and exciting.

 

[Jbarney]

Watching the entire run in a week. Wow. On one side I look at it and think that would be really cool...if I had the time. On the other hand, I don't think I could sit still for that long.

 

[MvRojo]

Wow, that's a lot of viewing ours in 7 days... I think the most I could ever manage is about 4 episodes per day, and that was at my peak as a fan. Maybe you should have watched the series again over a longer period of time, digested things a bit more?

I've been watching up to 10 episodes a day recently since I'm showing the series to one of my friends.

 

[Navaros]

1. They figured they had to keep the storyline going that they established in the episode Emissary. But since they were making it up as they went along, they didn't have the foresight to realize that it would turn out really badly.

2. Probably supposed to be seen as them getting what they deserved for occupying Bajor, for which the audience is goaded into believing was horrible and the Cardassians who did it were evil.

3. Liberal PC-ness of the writers' personal POVs (that tell them everyone should be a liberal human just like they are) getting out of control and hence irreparably harming the show itself in terms of the Ferengi getting ruined.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

So how does the Prime Directive keep the Federation from taking sides in the Klingon-Cardassian War? The Cardassians are fully warp-capable and have already had first contact with the Federation anyway...plus, I believe the Cardassians DID ask for help, so it's not like the Federation would've been uninvited.

 

[Jono]

So how does the Prime Directive keep the Federation from taking sides in the Klingon-Cardassian War? The Cardassians are fully warp-capable and have already had first contact with the Federation anyway...plus, I believe the Cardassians DID ask for help, so it's not like the Federation would've been uninvited.

The Prime Directive is a directive that forbids Starfleet from interfering with the internal affairs of another species, both non-warp and warp capable.

 

[Rush Limborg]

^Yeah, they just can't REVEAL themselves to non-warp races....

But anyway--my compliments, Ensign, for watching ALL THAT in a week.

The best I could do was watch TOS first season in a week....

So...outta curiosity...what were your thoughts on Jadzia's death and Ezri's suceeding her?

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

So how does the Prime Directive keep the Federation from taking sides in the Klingon-Cardassian War? The Cardassians are fully warp-capable and have already had first contact with the Federation anyway...plus, I believe the Cardassians DID ask for help, so it's not like the Federation would've been uninvited.

The Prime Directive is a directive that forbids Starfleet from interfering with the internal affairs of another species, both non-warp and warp capable.

How is it 'interference' if the official government of that species has ASKED for help? Which I believe the Detapa Council did. It's quite different from the Klingon succession crisis, where just one faction VYING to be in the government asked for help...this is the legitimate government of Cardassia asking for Federation involvement.

 

[TheGodBen]

The government of a people who had been a thorn in the Federation's side for decades, even if the Detapa council had recently asserted more authority over the military. And if the Federation did go to war in order to protect the Cardassians, of all people, then the support for the Maquis would have grown as more people would see it as evidence of the UFP siding with the Cardassians over their own people. The fact that the Federation were willing to cut their ties with the Klingons and enter into a quasi-war with them was commendable under the circumstances.

But you're a Cardassian, I don't expect you to understand our human politics.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

It was an outright rebellion--Central Command was subordinated to the will of the civilian populace, and the Obsidian Order had taken a near-deathblow in the Gamma Quadrant. And this new government could very likely have been of great benefit to the residents of the DMZ as well...if they were willing to stop their terrorist activities, then a government where Central Command couldn't go too far would likely have been quite favorable to them. Who knows, maybe someday full citizenship would've been in the offing?

And I apologize if this offends your human sensibilities, but the settlers of those colonies were given every chance to leave before Cardassia took possession of those territories. I understand why there is an argument that those colonies should never have been ceded to the Union, but if that premise is accepted, then their primary grievance should be with the Federation: if anyone is at fault, it's them, for "throwing the colonies under the bus," as I believe the human saying goes.

 

[Rush Limborg]

Well...to be fair, Nerys...The Council picked Dukat as its liason to the military.... So I wouldn't get my hopes up as to what might've been.

And...considering the hand the Dominion had in blowing up the Order...can you blame the Klingons for getting suspicious?

(Now...I agree, the Empire went too far, too soon, but still....)

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

They did...but somehow I think it was because they wanted to keep an eye on him. Keep your friends close--but keep your enemies closer, after all. If they can chain him to whatever assignments they want to, as liaison, that helps them control him.