Just use a "Connie"!

[Nerys Myk]

Speaking of some things people don't get…

Just how many times something has to be shown onscreen to be considered canon?

Once?
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/daedalus/daedalus-themaquisi.jpg

Twice?
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/daedalus/daedalus-afterimage.jpg

Thrice?
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/daedalus/daedalus-inquisition.jpg

Please stop me when you've had enough.

Yes the model in Sisko's office is canon. If it shows up once or a million times its still canon. Don't think that's in dispute. Is it the Daedalus? Well, the canon has nothing to say about that. Until a ship with that configuration and name shows up on screen it remains a nameless ship model in Sisko's office. The Discovery people could apply the name to a totally different design and at that point that design for the Daedalus becomes canon.

 

[sojourner]

The model is canon. The name Daedalus is canon. The model being named Daedalus is not canon.

 

[Nerys Myk]

OK. You've convinced me. I'll take your word over DS9, CBS, StarTrek.Com, Michael Okuda, the Star Trek Encyclopedia, Greg Jein, Doug Drexler, Star Trek Official Starship Collection, Memory Alpha, Memory Beta, Pocket Books, etc, etc, etc… After all, what do they know?

They didn't write the show. The writers and producers are the guys who makes those decisions. Not the art department, the model makers, novel writers or fans on websites.

 

[Tenacity]

The model is canon. The name Daedalus is canon. The model being named Daedalus is not canon.

Schrodinger's cat, the model both is and isn't named Daedalus.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

They didn't write the show. The writers and producers are the guys who makes those decisions. Not the art department, the model makers, novel writers or fans on websites.

So according to you the SS Botany Bay looked the way it looked because Carey Wilber (and Gene L. Coon) wrote the episode and not because Matt Jefferies designed it. Riiight!

 

[Nerys Myk]

So according to you the SS Botany Bay looked the way it looked because Carey Wilber (and Gene L. Coon) wrote the episode and not because Matt Jefferies designed it. Riiight!

I think you're working very hard at missing the point.

 

[WebLurker]

The model is canon. The name Daedalus is canon. The model being named Daedalus is not canon.

I think that's a very fair assessment. On the other hand, based on the fact that reference materials have connected the two on a consistent basis (as have all tie-ins), I'm almost certain that if there was more info established about it, it would be made canon. For example, a lot of the conjecture about ship registries from the Stark Trek Encyclopedia was made canon with TOS-R.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I think that's a very fair assessment. On the other hand, based on the fact that reference materials have connected the two on a consistent basis (as have all tie-ins), I'm almost certain that if there was more info established about it, it would be made canon. For example, a lot of the conjecture about ship registries from the Stark Trek Encyclopedia was made canon with TOS-R.

Yes, that's usually how it works.

 

[sojourner]

On the other hand

That's not the other hand. Until seen onscreen, it's not canon.

 

[Mudd]

The model is canon. The name Daedalus is canon. The model being named Daedalus is not canon.

Exactly so.

This isn't complicated. Why someone would be unable is grasp it immediately is hard to understand.

 

[WebLurker]

That's not the other hand. Until seen onscreen, it's not canon.

Yeah, I'm just saying if they're going to expand on the either the model or the Daedalus in canon, I'm betting that they'll connect the two like the tie-ins have. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Mudd]

I'm looking forward to seeing the new show send every bit of this visual continuity spinning in its first ten minutes.

Remember how worked up the purists got when it turned out there was a starship Enterprise before Kirk's, and then they saw what it looked like?

 

[dswynne1]

Do you guys think that ENT would have worked better if Scott Bakula played Captain April instead of Captain Archer? I saw TAS recently, and the way April was drawn reminded me of Bakula...

 

[Nerys Myk]

Do you guys think that ENT would have worked better if Scott Bakula played Captain April instead of Captain Archer? I saw TAS recently, and the way April was drawn reminded me of Bakula...

Probably not. The name wouldn't improve the character or the writing.

 

[F. King Daniel]

It's sort pointing out that recent-ish IDW comics depicted the USS Archon, a conjecturally Daedalus-class ship, as NX-class in their retelling of "Return of the Archons"

 

[Jesse1066]

That model being the Daedalus class may not be canon, but we have many non-canon sources indicating that the model represents the Daedalus class, while no source that I'm aware of, canon or otherwise, gives it another name or gives a different design for the Daedalus. If they choose to show the Daedalus class in Discovery, my money is on them using some form of the spherical hull design. They're free to use non-canon information to enrich the canon universe, after all, as has been done several times before. They are equally free to disregard it completely if they choose to do so, but that would be an odd move when the Daedalus class has been depicted so consistently up to this point.

 

[Ithekro]

Isn't that model suppose to be the USS Horizon?

 

[Jesse1066]

Isn't that model suppose to be the USS Horizon?

The Horizon is generally considered to be Daedalus class. I don't know if this was ever backed up by dialogue. Probably not.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

This isn't complicated. Why someone* would be unable is grasp it immediately is hard to understand.

In this case…

*Someone = CBS, StarTrek.Com, Michael Okuda, Star Trek Encyclopedia, Greg Jein, Doug Drexler, Pocket Books, Star Trek Official Starship Collection, Memory Alpha, Memory Beta, Ex-Astris-Scientia…

Isn't that model suppose to be the USS Horizon?

When the model was displayed in Sisko's office, the name on the ship was modified. That's why there are two differently labeled versions of the model on the photos.

USS Essex:
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/daedalus/daedalus-model2.jpg

USS Horizon:
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/daedalus/daedalus-model3.jpg

 

[Mudd]

The Horizon is generally considered to be Daedalus class. I don't know if this was ever backed up by dialogue. Probably not.

By whom?