Just use a "Connie"!

[Phoenix219]

I"m talking about well before any of that, out of reference books and materials, before TNG or the Stargazer was a thing... so ok, the concensus is that I was young and dumb and mixed up the words, then?

Seeing the Stargazer on screen as a Movie Era Connie would have been awesome, though. Best ship desgin in the history of Trek.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I"m talking about well before any of that, out of reference books and materials, before TNG or the Stargazer was a thing... so ok, the concensus is that I was young and dumb and mixed up the words, then?

Seeing the Stargazer on screen as a Movie Era Connie would have been awesome, though. Best ship desgin in the history of Trek.

Maybe there was a typo in something you read?

 

[fireproof78]

Was that one of the "Pink One" movies?

Yep. Straight from Trey Stokes mouth

 

[Lance]

The Encyclopedia and Chronology were written by people who worked on the TV shows back in the day.

That doesn't mean every event chronicled therein is canon. As myself and others have already pointed out, the Okudas themselves advocated strongly against accepting their conjectural theories as being legitimate 100% bonefide, that they have been accepted as such by large portions of the fandom has got something to do with the Okuda's high profile behind the scenes, yes, but it does not in itself make the contents of the Chronology and Encyclopedia canon, unless specifically supported by evidence that made it to screen. A surprising amount of material in both titles is prefaced with the magical word 'Conjecture', which is code for "This item is a theory that is open to whatever interpretation the reader sees fit to ascribe to it". Up to and including ignoring it completely.

 

[WebLurker]

Yep. Straight from Trey Stokes mouth

Who's Trey Stokes?

That doesn't mean every event chronicled therein is canon. As myself and others have already pointed out, the Okudas themselves advocated strongly against accepting their conjectural theories as being legitimate 100% bonefide, that they have been accepted as such by large portions of the fandom has got something to do with the Okuda's high profile behind the scenes, yes, but it does not in itself make the contents of the Chronology and Encyclopedia canon, unless specifically supported by evidence that made it to screen. A surprising amount of material in both titles is prefaced with the magical word 'Conjecture', which is code for "This item is a theory that is open to whatever interpretation the reader sees fit to ascribe to it". Up to and including ignoring it completely.

Okay.

 

[fireproof78]

Who's Trey Stokes?

Um, the creator of the "Pink Five" series and source of the "That's something we use to tell people" quote about midiclorians.

Keep up, man

 

[Phoenix219]

Maybe there was a typo in something you read?

Doubt it was a typo, but maybe something from such an early source that they just got it wrong? I used to raid the public library for Trek stuff in very late 80s/very early 90s and I would read the adaptations (Blish/Foster) and "Best of Trek" books on the school bus LOL. Like I said, I'm not sure if I just misremembered as a child, or if some early writings were unsure / wrong. Lots of speculation in those early days.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Doubt it was a typo, but maybe something from such an early source that they just got it wrong? I used to raid the public library for Trek stuff in very late 80s/very early 90s and I would read the adaptations (Blish/Foster) and "Best of Trek" books on the school bus LOL. Like I said, I'm not sure if I just misremembered as a child, or if some early writings were unsure / wrong. Lots of speculation in those early days.

I read the Blish stuff in Junior High. Between them and the syndication edits I got a lot of Trek stuff "wrong" for years.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Was there an early point where "Constellation Class" was substituted for "Constitution Class" back in the day? Either my elementary school aged brain in the late 80s misremembered something, or one of the 70s/80s reference books I read at some formative age got it wrong. Can someone correct my memories?

For some reason, the classic Enterprise was called Constellation-class in a couple of 80's novels and comics, including "Enterprise: The First Adventure" and "The Mirror Universe Saga"

 

[Phoenix219]

For some reason, the classic Enterprise was called Constellation-class in a couple of 80's novels and comics, including "Enterprise: The First Adventure" and "The Mirror Universe Saga"

So I didn't imagine it..... thats good to know. It must have been one of those early novels, then, because I definitely couldn't afford comic books back then, and my parents sure as hell weren't buying lol.

 

[WebLurker]

Um, the creator of the "Pink Five" series and source of the "That's something we use to tell people" quote about midiclorians.

Okay, I only saw the show one or twice a long time ago (in a galaxy far, far away...).

 

[fireproof78]

Okay, I only saw the show one or twice a long time ago (in a galaxy far, far away...).

You should rewatch it then. There are three volumes right now

 

[WebLurker]

You should rewatch it then. There are three volumes right now

Seems like the third installment had fallen off the face of the web, since I recall not being able to find it before.

 

[fireproof78]

Seems like the third installment had fallen off the face of the web, since I recall not being able to find it before.

It had a limited release and I know part one managed to make it out, but part 2 was shown at some conventions.

Just checked the site and it's now streaming on Amazon. Sweet! Going to have to send Trey a thank you card.

 

[Rick Sternbach]

For me back in the day is TOS. The Okudas, Sternbach and Jein "came up" through fandom joining the art department when TNG was on th air. An old buddy of mine did too and joined the art department during TNG via his contact with Mike Okuda at cons. By the time they put together the Encyclopedia and Chronology, yeah they were seasoned pros. But still slipped in some ideas from their fandom days like the Daedalus model.

Er...I joined up with the franchise on Star Trek: The Motion Picture in 1978, after having already been a working professional book and magazine illustrator for the NY market and doing astronomical art for various magazines and some planetaria. After Andrew Probert, I was the second artist hired to help develop TNG at the beginning, before a single frame of film ran through the camera. Yup. - Rick

 

[Anduril]

Er...I joined up with the franchise on Star Trek: The Motion Picture in 1978, after having already been a working professional book and magazine illustrator for the NY market and doing astronomical art for various magazines and some planetaria. After Andrew Probert, I was the second artist hired to help develop TNG at the beginning, before a single frame of film ran through the camera. Yup. - Rick

Can I say that Rick Sternbach replied to me?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Er...I joined up with the franchise on Star Trek: The Motion Picture in 1978, after having already been a working professional book and magazine illustrator for the NY market and doing astronomical art for various magazines and some planetaria. After Andrew Probert, I was the second artist hired to help develop TNG at the beginning, before a single frame of film ran through the camera. Yup. - Rick

Thanks for the info. Somewhere in the back of my mind I think I knew that.

 

[TheSubCommander]

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Seeing the Stargazer on screen as a Movie Era Connie would have been awesome, though. Best ship desgin in the history of Trek.

I also am of the opinion they should have made the Stargazer a movie-era Constitution class ship. But the official story is they didn't want the movie hero ship to be seen on TNG, and other than a couple episodes where they had split seconds of schematics, several that had an AMT/ERTL 1:537 model somewhere in the background, and a partial shot of a secondary hull, we never got to see one on TNG, or DS9 & VOy for that matter. Stupid policy, considering at one point, before the Enterprise-D was designed, they had actually and briefly considered making the ship of the series a Constitution class.

 

[The Wormhole]

I also am of the opinion they should have made the Stargazer a movie-era Constitution class ship. But the official story is they didn't want the movie hero ship to be seen on TNG, and other than a couple episodes where they had split seconds of schematics, several that had an AMT/ERTL 1:537 model somewhere in the background, and a partial shot of a secondary hull, we never got to see one on TNG, or DS9 & VOy for that matter. Stupid policy, considering at one point, before the Enterprise-D was designed, they had actually and briefly considered making the ship of the series a Constitution class.

Years later they enacted a similar policy regarding the Sovereign class, which is why you never see one in any of the Dominion War battles. Apparently Ira Behr really wanted to show one in the final battle in WYLB but Paramount wouldn't budge because "it's the movie ship and should be saved for the movies. If it's on TV, people won't pay to see the movies in theatres." Even though at that point, people hadn't paid to see Insurrection in theatres six months earlier, and three years later wouldn't pay to see Nemesis in theatres either.