Just use a "Connie"!

[Stewey]

My understanding is that the canon nature of the spherical Daedalus Class ship is vague to say the least?

Sisko had a model of one in his office, and it was the spherical configuration ship. It is true there is no specific line of dialog that states that the model on the desk is actually a Daedalus class ship.

Bear in mind that Sisko served at the Utopia Planetia shipyards on Mars helping to develop new ships. This heavily implies that a ship of the configuration existed somewhere in the Trek timeline, since him having the model implies he has an appreciation of ships/ship construction from his time there.

The Daedalus class is canon but has yet to have its appearance confirmed as the design we see in Sisko's office as canon.

 

[Smoked Salmon]

Totally 100% agree. And while I can accept the Enterprise D being a new ship when TNG started (making it different from TOS), IMO Voyager should have been a ship with some history to it before Caretaker. At the very least, they could act as though the crew losses when they were pulled to the Delta Quadrant as opposed to "oh, well, I only met him an hour ago." I suppose they'd have to say the ship had undergone a recent refit, to explain the addition of the new EMH in sickbay.

What always annoyed me about Voyager was that even a new ship would have suffered and degraded over 7 years, no matter how many gel packs and dilithium it had. Resources would have to be preserved because, quite simply, nobody knows how long they would be out there. Plus alien resources would be scavenged as back up. Instead we saw not so much as a torn uniform or a dodgy repair by the end, with everyone still cavorting on the Holodeck.

Since DSC is older, I'd like a more realistic take on life in space, where the wear and tear of a deep space mission is apparent (assuming the ship is boldly going as per it's title).

 

[dswynne1]

That show's cancellation - after four years - had nothing to do with the visual style of the show, so...Nope.

"Celebrating a franchise" is a silly marketing concept - it's not good for anything except selling you merchandise.

That's a rather cynical way to put it. Me? Besides the fact that I WANT to celebrate something that I have enjoyed for decades, the corporate side of things allow for new releases of older media on better formats. I seriously doubt we could have, let's say, gotten THE RODDENBERRY VAULT if these same corporations didn't think that there was not a market for them. So, that aspect I don't mind, though I do mind when something was done sloppily (i.e. the news on DSC). IMO.

 

[BillJ]

...let's say, gotten THE RODDENBERRY VAULT if these same corporations didn't think that there was not a market for them. So, that aspect I don't mind, though I do mind when something was done sloppily (i.e. the news on DSC). IMO.

There's not a huge market, or else they wouldn't be charging $77 for the three-disc set.

 

[The Wormhole]

There's not a huge market, or else they wouldn't be charging $77 for the three-disc set.

To be fair, Paramount/CBS does overprice their DVDs and blu-rays.

 

[Lance]

What always annoyed me about Voyager was that even a new ship would have suffered and degraded over 7 years, no matter how many gel packs and dilithium it had. Resources would have to be preserved because, quite simply, nobody knows how long they would be out there. Plus alien resources would be scavenged as back up. Instead we saw not so much as a torn uniform or a dodgy repair by the end, with everyone still cavorting on the Holodeck.

Since DSC is older, I'd like a more realistic take on life in space, where the wear and tear of a deep space mission is apparent (assuming the ship is boldly going as per it's title).

Or take the route Enterprise and TNG took, of having Enterprise dock at a starbase for maintenance every so often. At least with that the idea of the ship staying together is credible, a lot of the problem with VOY was that they had no way of doing that, and they never showed them having layovers at (for example) alien bases and having to graft that technology on top of their own.

The mistake with VOY wasn't necessarily that the ship was brand new at the start of S1 of that show, but more that it still looked like it had just come out of it's shrink-wrap 7 years later.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

The Discovery won't have that problem. It already looks like a "veteran" ship.

 

[BillJ]

To be fair, Paramount/CBS does overprice their DVDs and blu-rays.

That's the Amazon price. I didn't pay that much for any of the Blu-ray season sets, across three series. The Vault is a niche product.

 

[USS Triumphant]

The Daedalus class is canon but has yet to have its appearance confirmed as the design we see in Sisko's office as canon.

Correct. And given a separate fact that *is* canonical - that the Olympic-class is in service in the 2370's (DS9: "Sacrifice of Angels") and is the ship class that Beverly's USS Pasteur was in the alternate future shown in TNG's "All Good Things" - it seems much more likely to me that the model in Sisko's office is of a *contemporary* ship that was being worked on at Utopia Planetia, perhaps one in the same "ship family" (using many of the same components) as the Olympic-class.

 

[BillJ]

Correct. And given a separate fact that *is* canonical - that the Olympic-class is in service in the 2370's (DS9: "Sacrifice of Angels") and is the ship class that Beverly's USS Pasteur was in the alternate future shown in TNG's "All Good Things" - it seems much more likely to me that the model in Sisko's office is of a *contemporary* ship that was being worked on at Utopia Planetia, perhaps one in the same "ship family" (using many of the same components) as the Olympic-class.

There is nothing that is contemporary with 24th century design with that model...

 

[Dukhat]

There is nothing that is contemporary with 24th century design with that model...

Not only that, but it's just a model. For all we know, Sisko just made it up himself. It's the same situation as that wall hanging of the Probert-style Enterprise-C on the Enterprise history wall in TNG season 1: Unless we see the actual ship on the screen, models and sculptures do not represent the real thing.

 

[BillJ]

Not only that, but it's just a model. For all we know, Sisko just made it up himself. It's the same situation as that wall hanging of the Probert-style Enterprise-C on the Enterprise history wall in TNG season 1: Unless we see the actual ship on the screen, models and sculptures do not represent the real thing.

Which is a fair point. The Daedalus (or the sphere ship) has never been seen onscreen in any form.

 

[USS Triumphant]

There is nothing that is contemporary with 24th century design with that model...

I'm not positive that you can say that definitively.

When one says "US Air Force" or "Russian Air Force", what comes to mind are F-14s, F-22s, F-35s, MiGs, etc. But both services still use plenty of propeller craft, too - and the USAF even uses gliders in a very limited capacity.

Perhaps ships like Sisko had the model of in his office are *still* in service. An even weirder thought is that maybe that IS an Olympic-class... pre-refit. After all, it isn't any more different from Beverly's ship than the TOS Enterprise was from the TMP Enterprise. Perhaps one was being refit at UP while Sisko was there, and that's the "before" model.

 

[Jedi_Master]

The Dadongulus class or whatever is as ugly as homemade sin. I hope it never sees the light of day on any Trek film or TV production.

 

[BillJ]

The Dadongulus class or whatever is as ugly as homemade sin. I hope it never sees the light of day on any Trek film or TV production.

I like it, and would love to see it. Its a bit "Star Trek" and a bit "2001".

 

[Dukhat]

Perhaps ships like Sisko had the model of in his office are *still* in service. An even weirder thought is that maybe that IS an Olympic-class... pre-refit. After all, it isn't any more different from Beverly's ship than the TOS Enterprise was from the TMP Enterprise. Perhaps one was being refit at UP while Sisko was there, and that's the "before" model.

A Daedalus class with a registry of NCC-58925? I don't think so.

 

[USS Triumphant]

A Daedalus class with a registry of NCC-58925? I don't think so.

Has no one told you yet that the registration numbers are assigned randomly, except for very special ships? Not only that, but they're in hexadecimal.

 

[The Wormhole]

Or take the route Enterprise and TNG took, of having Enterprise dock at a starbase for maintenance every so often.

Enterprise? They didn't even have starbases in Enterprise. Indeed, the late season 4 episode Bound has the NX-01 en route to scout a planet Starfleet is considering establishing their first starbase.

A Daedalus class with a registry of NCC-58925? I don't think so.

Wait a minute, since when did you give a shit about registry numbers making sense?

 

[Cyke101]

The fanboy in me thinks this would be great. But, I just think that ship has sailed. Plus, the outrage about any changes would only result in negative press for the show. Best to let them define their look on a non-Enterprise, before we inevitably revisit Kirk and Spock in the next series (if there is one).

Agreed, though I'd love it if Bruce Greenwood came back for an episode as Prime Universe Pike.

...yes, he's considerably older than Jeffrey Hunter in the 2250s, but Greenwood is great in everything he does.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

The Dadongulus class or whatever is as ugly as homemade sin. I hope it never sees the light of day on any Trek film or TV production.

Ahh, it always warms my heart when Star Trek fans express their appreciation for Matt Jefferies' art, talent and vision!

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