Just use a "Connie"!
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I think, for Star Wars, it works. Because it isn't "our" future, it has a lot more leeway in how to depict things. Star Trek is more problematic.
So, all starships are just a server hub? No wonder holograms are so grainy
I wonder if using a Connie but doing a aesthetic that is closer to the NX-01or the Kelvin, in terms of more mechanical, less smooth design of the TOS version. Not the full metal look, but kind an in between stage.
NO!
Don't change Constitution design. Adding some details (i'd like to see where phasers and torp launchers are) can be a good thing, but anything else would not be good.
I know almsot everything about Constitution look obsolette and outmoded, but we have to remember ST is not setted in our universe (a thing even ST Writers forget: remermber VOY ed ENT episodes set between 90s and 00s).
And it helps they were designed with a film budget in mind.
If they were to use the TOS connie, the exterior will need updating (not to JJ-prise extremes). The interior certainly will need to be entirely redone, maybe using the TMP interior as an example.
I'd be fine with using a model for a Connie that makes more sense as a base for the "refit" shown in TMP. Because the TOS Connie never did - TMP looks like they completely rebuilt the ship, not performed a refit.
But then, I'd also be fine with the original design, or with the design that @Captain of the USS Averof shared a few posts ago. I'd be okay with it if they used the Mega Bloks NCC-1701 and I could see someone's hand on it to move it around while they made appropriate "special effects" noises with their mouth. I'm not hard to please as long as the stories are good. I'd only get irritated - and probably VERY irritated - if they used something that was supposed to be a Connie that definitely is not (like, say, a Defiant-class) or if they dramatically violated canon *in dialog* ("Those Constitution-class ships carry 1500 crewpeople and all have cloaking devices.")
But then, I'd also be fine with the original design, or with the design that @Captain of the USS Averof shared a few posts ago. I'd be okay with it if they used the Mega Bloks NCC-1701 and I could see someone's hand on it to move it around while they made appropriate "special effects" noises with their mouth. I'm not hard to please as long as the stories are good. I'd only get irritated - and probably VERY irritated - if they used something that was supposed to be a Connie that definitely is not (like, say, a Defiant-class) or if they dramatically violated canon *in dialog* ("Those Constitution-class ships carry 1500 crewpeople and all have cloaking devices.")
I would lean towards the second one.
I'm not looking at changing the design too much so much as make it less streamlined. The Constitution was very much a product of its time and budget. But, I wouldn't mind seeing a progression or a prototype Constitution.
I think it could be good if done well.
Also let's keep the 70's feel
There's only one Constitution class that has a cloaking device.
While I like the Constitution class a lot, I'd rather see something new, esp. since there are so few canon ship designs in the TOS TV and post-ENT/pre-TOS era. (Also, they would for sure update the Connie, which would annoy many of us who love the TV show configuration and design.)
Of course, I though the ship in the test footage was awesome, so what do I know?
Of course, I though the ship in the test footage was awesome, so what do I know?
If DSC doesn't look exactly like this, I'm boycotting the show.
It is beautiful, but every ship class has its development process. Why not show its development? Does that some how take away from the mystique or beauty of the ship?
Oh I agree with that point, I just don't want to see jj-prises (and other jj-verse ships) flying around in the prime timeline.
I respect this. At the same time we know the USS Kelvin is a prime ship, but just like Axanar aesthetics can be changed to make it "fit" the primeverse better. As for the Connie if we do see it at all i'd like to see something like the Deg3D Enterprise.5 ( http://deg3d.biz/splash_TOS.5_E/TOS.5_E.html ). Not a re-imagining per say but instead bringing all the details of the ship to life and bringing it into today's graphical and technological world.
The taskforce in 2009 were Primeline ships, just kept in service longer or only really seen now, with registries going down to 3 digits lower than Grissom.
If we don't see them, it's because of legal issues with using assets from movies in the show. If not, I'd like to see some Einstein class ships flying around.
If we don't see them, it's because of legal issues with using assets from movies in the show. If not, I'd like to see some Einstein class ships flying around.
I understand the need to improve details on the Constitution Class, but the overall shape is solid and should not be changed in my opinion. It's every bit as timeless and iconic as the Millenium Falcon, X-Wing, or Star Destroyer. I think that Jason "Vektor" Lee's Enterprise is the best example of an updated Enterprise that I've seen:
Here's a closer picture. Notice that, though it looks pretty much the same as ever at a glance, it has plenty of detail that becomes apparent up close. I feel that a good redesign of an existing ship class should, at first glance, look like nothing has changed.
Agreed. It is also kinda what I said and showed way back…
Deg3D's TOS.5 Enterprise is also a very beautiful and (more importantly) very respectful to the Jefferies Enterprise.
http://www.foundation3d.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37633&d=1269715668
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Exactly the opposite. The aesthetic comes second because beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Reverence is more important when dealing with iconic and classic designs.
With reverence comes necessity. With necessity comes redundancy, where we fixate on how something should look rather than making something distinct and new.
Just because we are in Trek's "past" does not preclude the idea of novelty and originality, or beauty and aesthetic. That's part of what Fuller and Meyer have been stating again and again about the era they have chosen. It is familiar but not beholden to what comes before or after, because it is mostly unknown.
The ship should reflect that mentality too.
Hugo
Just because we are in Trek's "past" does not preclude the idea of novelty and originality, or beauty and aesthetic. That's part of what Fuller and Meyer have been stating again and again about the era they have chosen. It is familiar but not beholden to what comes before or after, because it is mostly unknown.
The ship should reflect that mentality too.
Hugo
I have mixed feelings about using the TOS Connie, but I would have no second thoughts about bringing back the refit design.
It be nice to see one again, but it does not need to be USS Discovery. One of the old complaints I heard in the 80s and 90s, was that the TOS era Starfleet was not presented as diverse enough for the amount of territory they were patrolling. Not every ship would be a Constitution, nor should it be if there were only 13 or so of them in the fleet. What about the other ships? Discovery gets to be basically the first ship of that era we see in Star Trek that isn't a Constitution or a freighter.
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