Just ReWatched Generations and this bugged me...

[blueziggy]

im just gonna take a simple explanation for the movement of the ribbon. pretend that the shockwave from the explosion is a pond or lake. the ribbon is a smooth shaped rock. when you throw the rock at the correct angle to the water it will skip across the pond. now while its still going the same general direction of how you throw it, the skips cause it to go a little further or higher or at a slightly different arc into the pond.

Well, first of all, there are no shock waves in vacuum. That's a common fallacy in SF. Second, even if there were, they'd travel slower than the speed of light. So there's no way the destruction of a star would instantly affect the course of a starship or anomaly light-years away. The only way to rationalize things like the stellar explosions affecting the Nexus, or the explosion of Praxis affecting Excelsior light-years away, is if we wave our hands and assume there's some kind of "shock" that propagates FTL through subspace and affects subspace-connected objects like the Nexus or starship warp cores.

stop bringing science fact into the context of a movie that uses made up elements. for all we know there could be trilithium and when it is combined with a star and heats up to the point of explosion it expands out like a popcorn kernel. the point is, when dicussin the future and future elements, technology, materials and the like you can basically make up anything you want because it cant be proven false.

 

[Smiley]

^There's a reason that this is sci-fi and not fantasy. Trek does use real science wherever it can. It uses cheats for dramatic necessity, but most of it is based on real-life discoveries and speculations. Some things are demonstratably impossible based on our current knowledge of the universe, and Star Trek should reflect that.

 

[blueziggy]

^There's a reason that this is sci-fi and not fantasy. Trek does use real science wherever it can. It uses cheats for dramatic necessity, but most of it is based on real-life discoveries and speculations. Some things are demonstratably impossible based on our current knowledge of the universe, and Star Trek should reflect that.

so then scientists have discovered trilithium?

again i understand what you are saying, but the fact of the matter is when you use something imaginary (which trilithium is) and get imaginary results from it then you cant claim that it is not factually true because duh its imaginary.

 

[Nebusj]

again i understand what you are saying, but the fact of the matter is when you use something imaginary (which trilithium is) and get imaginary results from it then you cant claim that it is not factually true because duh its imaginary.

Thing is, they say explicitly that it's the change in gravitational distribution in the sector which causes the Nexus to change its course. In fact, Data says that so we can count on it not being a simplification for the sake of anyone. However, we know how gravity works well enough to know that's not how gravity works.

If you want to make up something, and attribute to it whatever effects your story needs, that's fine as long as the thing you make up seems thematically consistent and the rules seem non-arbitrary enough (another problem with the Nexus). But if you go around saying explicitly how it's supposed to work, when it can't work that way, and you want to bill yourself as having Real! Science! Content! as Star Trek fans like to claim, then you have to take the fall when you're just wrong.

(#include ritual disclaimer that science fiction fans really are satisfied with a patina of scientific gloss and won't be deterred from liking what they like just because it doesn't make qualitative, much less quantitative, sense.)

 

[Saxman1]

Wow, I tried watching this one last night and made it through about 45 minutes. It's even worse than I remembered. Data is completely annoying with the emotion chip and BTW, did they forget to play the light bill or something?

I say this as a TNG fan: once the Kirk/Scotty/Chekov prologue is over it's all downhill. Definitely going to sell this one and the rest of the TNG movies on DVD. But that's me.

 

[Christopher]

BTW, did they forget to play the light bill or something?

Movies are shown on a huge screen in a dark theater, so their lighting schemes generally need to be more subdued than the lighting for TV shows, which are shown on smaller screens in rooms that are often more brightly lit.

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

I thought this alternate ending was better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvpR9YGTDug

 

[Peach Wookiee]

^YAY, ARNOLD!

 

[Jax]

Kirk's death was meaningless. Life is absurd and meaningless.

Saving Picard, ENT-D crew and a planet a race of people on it don't count ? His first death saved The ENT B so not a waste there.