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Just because they have the same names doesn't mean they're the same...

MadBaggins

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Stop and think for a moment. EVERYONE is assuming that the seven main characters are the SAME characters from the prime timeline (Kirk, Spock, Bonesy, etc.) However we don't know FOR SURE that they are all the same people! They MIGHT just have the same names and have been born at the same time and end up on the same ship but not necessarily BE the same people. That would explain some of the GLARING contradictions. TO WHIT...

Kirk: I think it's the same Kirk. I could believe this guy growing up to be William Shatner. Yes his eyes are the wrong color but that could changed in an accident or something in a few years. Also Old Spock recognized him. So I think it's the same Kirk.

Spock: I'm pretty sure this is the same Spock from the original series as he has parents named Sarek and Amanda and that would be TO MUCH of a coincidence to be a coincidence. On the other hand, Old Spock DOESN'T remember being this Spock and doesn't remember the events of this movie happening, so technically they can't be the same person. However that could be because of the new timeline or Old Spock being senile.

Bones: Almost definitely the same Bones we know and love. He even says things like "damn it!" which only Bones would do. The only difference is the way he got the nickname "Bones" but that could be because NBC didn't want them talking about divorce on tv in the sixties.

Scotty: I'm not sure. Old Spock recognizes him as Scotty. But otherwise he's totally different. He accent is nothing like James Doohan's. This could be because Simon Pegg is a REAL Scottishman and Doohan wasn't but it's still a contradiction. Also he doesn't act like the real Scotty. The real Scotty was quiet and dignified. This guy gurns about saying stupid things like "I LIKE THIS SHIP, IT'S EXCITING!!" and stuff. Maybe being alone on the Ice Planet for ten years drove him mad, I don't know. But I don't think there's any reason to assume this is the same Scotty.

Uhura: The most glaring chance. First of all, Uhura was African and spoke with a flawless African accent. This Uhura is clearly African American. Another huge change is that Zoe Saldana is a hot babe and Nichelle...well, she looked different, let's just leave it at that. I mean can you honestly see the Uhura who was in her underwear looking hot in this movie with the Uhura who did the Fan Dance in Undiscovered Country? No way. Not the same Uhura. The real one is still in Africa waiting for destiny.

Chekov: This one is hard. This guy does a great impersonation of Walter Koenig. I mean if you shut your eyes you'd think it was the original Chekov talking. But his face is a TOTAL different shape. The original's face was round. This one has totally different facial bones. It's hard to think of them being the same person when you look at them. Hm.

Sulu: NO evidence that this is the same Sulu. Yes he uses a sword to fight the Romulans just like old Sulu used a sword to fight the Klingons. But that's it. Lots of people fight with swords. The old Sulu never would have stalled the ship like this guy did at the start. Plus John Cho is KOREAN whereas George Takei was JAPAN and they are totally different islands. Really don't think it's the same Sulu...
 
Re: Just because they have the same names doesn't mean they're the sam

Post pictures of your cousin please. :)
 
Re: Just because they have the same names doesn't mean they're the sam

Nichol's Uhura spoke with a flawless African accent?
 
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Yes. It sounded African to me, certainly.
 
Re: Just because they have the same names doesn't mean they're the sam

Pegg is not a Scotchmens, MadBaggins. He's from Gloucestershire.
 
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It's actually a sophisticated holodeck simulation being run by the Romulans to fool Spock into giving them the secret of time travel. But he's onto them, which explains why he hasn't tried to change the past.
 
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...and Jeffrey Hunter's Pike seemed much more "humorless" than Greenwood's Pike. I think Greenwood's Pike was an imposter who killed Hunter's Pike and took over his life (perhaps the imposter Pike coveted "Tango").
 
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The whole thing is a setup by the Vulcan impersonator Ixtyl from Vorn who is acting on orders from the Vorn leader Count Tortella.

Their dabbling with time machines have disturbed the timeline and caused the current confusion.
 
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^The sequel has Janeway heroically engaging in fisticuffs with Ixtyl inside a black hole while Voyager and her crew engages in a deadly fight with the Armada of Future Tense Past Perfect.

The trilogy is completed in style when in the third movie Count Tortella entrances Chakotay and enlists him into the Vorn military. Will Janeway be able to fight her trusty first officer? Or will Tortella send Voyager on another seven year mission into the Delta Quadrant of the future? Find out in STXIII: The Wrath of AAAAAAAHHHH.
 
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Uhura did a fan dance in The Undiscovered Country? I must've missed that part!
 
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Kirk has to be the original Kirk because he was conceived before the change in the timeline. Anyone older than Kirk also has to be the same biological person as those in the original timeline. Therefore Spock, Bones, Scotty are the same biological person as their Prime person.

However anyone younger than Kirk could be a different biological person from the Prime person that has their name.

I do think that Chekov has to be a different person from ChekovPrime.
 
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Uhura did a fan dance in The Undiscovered Country? I must've missed that part!
It was in the deleted scene along with a short clip of Kirk and Spock morris dancing. Thrilling stuff. Should make it into the Director's Cut.
 
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I think it's the same Kirk. I could believe this guy growing up to be William Shatner. Yes his eyes are the wrong color but that could changed in an accident or something in a few years.

Or maybe his eye color changed because it's a different actor.

Seriously, it is possible to overthink this stuff . . . .
 
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...and Jeffrey Hunter's Pike seemed much more "humorless" than Greenwood's Pike. I think Greenwood's Pike was an imposter who killed Hunter's Pike and took over his life (perhaps the imposter Pike coveted "Tango").

Good point about Pike, the guy in this movie was much older than Jeffery Hunter was. Maybe he was that Pike's father. Or maybe the writers just confused him with Captain Robert April,the first captain of the Enterprise, who was an older man I believe.

Uhura did a fan dance in The Undiscovered Country? I must've missed that part!

Umm, yes, to distract Spock's half brother (does he still exist in this new timeline!?) It was a memorable scene.
 
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