Julian Assange arrested

[stj]

It is morally perverted to get more outraged over Julian Assange than over laying waste to whole countries and murdering people with missiles.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ No, because those are military actions conducted under the rules of war. Big difference there.

To put it another way: War is legal. This is not.

 

[sidious618]

^ No, because those are military actions conducted under the rules of war. Big difference there.

To put it another way: War is legal. This is not.

Who gives a fuck if it's legal? I'd rather Assange release tons more documents than for there to be a "legal" war.

 

[PsychoPere]

stj was referring to morality, not legality. As you say, "Big difference there."

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

sid - and if innocent people get killed in the process? You would be OK with that?

 

[sidious618]

sid - and if innocent people get killed in the process? You would be OK with that?

Well so far no innocent people have.

 

[Captain Pike]

Hmm. Deaths of innocent ppl.

Now where did I hear about millions of those happening in the last few years?

 

[Locutus of Bored]

^ Or, OTOH, prosecuting a perfectly legitimate rape charge just might not be.

Even if Assange isn't a terrorist, that doesn't mean he's not a rapist.

Even the women involved in the (spurious) case are saying he is no rapist.

It revolves around consensual sex where he allegedly failed to use a condom.

How many people do you know of who have been convicted of rape on those grounds?

Here's a few different articles on the rape, molestation, and coercion charges so people can form their own opinion on the subject.

Swedish authorities press release:

Gemma Lindfield, for the Swedish authorities, told the court Assange was wanted in connection with four allegations. She said the first complainant, Miss A, said she was victim of "unlawful coercion" on the night of August 14 in Stockholm.

The court heard Assange is accused of using his body weight to hold her down in a sexual manner.

The second charge alleged Assange "sexually molested" Miss A by having sex with her without a condom when it was her "express wish" one should be used.

The third charge claimed Assange "deliberately molested" Miss A on August 18 "in a way designed to violate her sexual integrity". The fourth charge accused Assange of having sex with a second woman, Miss W, on August 17 without a condom while she was asleep at her Stockholm home.

Daily Mail article that is somewhat pro-Assange and against the women making the accusation. The Mail is typically not a reliable source, but this was the most detailed article on the charges up 'til now.

Salon editorial saying that people should not rush to judgment against the accusers.

 

[Miss Chicken]

I don't see how the offense of the 14th by Miss A can be taken seriously if it is true that she was still seeing him on the 18th. If a man I barely knew had used his body weight to hold me down in a sexual manner I would be nowhere near him on the 18th.

 

[Nowhere Man]

pot, kettle, black. Assange is not bieng charged, but questioned. He is only guilty of evading a woman who wanted to ask him about STD's. If avoiding a woman who is asking anoying questions is a crime, i'm guilty. The rest can fall under 1st amendment rights. This is all just bieng used to assasinate his character.

 

[Captain Pike]

That and as a mechanism to get him into custody, so that something like this can be cooked up -

As critics protest against the "shonky" way WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has been denied his freedom, diplomatic sources have reportedly revealed informal talks are under way for him to be transferred into US custody.

US and Swedish officials have already discussed the possibility of Mr Assange being delivered into the hands of US law enforcement to face potential charges over "espionage offences", Britain's The Independent reported, citing "diplomatic sources".

Source

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

^ Well, there's no accounting for taste...

Assange is out to DESTROY democracy, not to save it. Bit hard to be a benefit for something you hate.

American "democracy" is more about a lot of bureaucracy and politicos out for their own damn good.

I'm not sure destroying that is a bad thing.

 

[Miss Chicken]

On another board I visit one Swedish member has explained the rape situation as this

The way the law should be interpreted is that the wishes of the woman, regarding condoms, must be respected, if you don't, then you're technically raping her. But the law is strange. If he'd made either of them pregnant this way, he'd be scot free. If he'd had a venereal disease he'd be charged with attempted murder or assault, as well as rape. Wilfully removing condom, and no baby and no disease = just rape. ...and a condom just breaking is not illegal in any way... of course. .............
.......What the prosecutors need to establish in court is that he removed the condom wilfully. As I've gathered, the story is as follows; two women he's fucked, (both fucked him willingly) by chance met and talked about having sex with Assange. They exchanged stories about how his condom "fell off" during sex, and by comparing stories it seemed to them like he'd done it on purpose and this was a "thing". They then felt traumatised by the event and reported him to the police. There's no precedent and nobody is quite sure if it'll stick in court. Assange of course assumes it's a plot by USA and is taking no risks. He's got every reason to make this assumption.

SOURCE

After reading that the charges make a bit more sense.

 

[DBR]

It's kind of scary how fast Assange has been completely railroaded.

 

[JarodRussell]

Assange is not a criminal, a terrorist or a traitor because of Wikileaks. The guys giving him the information are.

What do you think New York Times or any other (also international) newspaper would do if some guy in the Pentagon leaks them information about possible warcrimes, and gossip amongst diplomats? They would have printed it, just like Wikileaks.


A discussion about morales seems to be moot. Anyone who steals secret data from China or North Korea to reveal cover ups would be a hero in our eyes. If Assange releases internal stuff about major financial institutes, like he announced recently, he'd be a hero, too, because nobody likes banks in these times. But how dare anyone steal data from the United States?

 

[ST-One]

^ Well, there's no accounting for taste...

Assange is out to DESTROY democracy, not to save it. Bit hard to be a benefit for something you hate.

So, having an informed populace is a threat to democracy?
Interesting...

 

[Tulin]

Good.

Guy just LOOKS creepy as all hell.

 

[Mooch]

He is only guilty of evading a woman who wanted to ask him about STD's. If avoiding a woman who is asking anoying questions is a crime, i'm guilty. The rest can fall under 1st amendment rights.

I don't think the first amendment will help him much in Sweden.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

The lesson is don't fuck with our lizard overlords.

 

[JarodRussell]

^ Well, there's no accounting for taste...

Assange is out to DESTROY democracy, not to save it. Bit hard to be a benefit for something you hate.

So, having an informed populace is a threat to democracy?
Interesting...

I think that's what MLB fears the most: people who know more than him.