Jon Favreau will no longer be able to direct the Avengers film!

[GhostFaceSaint]

That would be unbearably cheesy, in my opinion.

You take that back.. now!

Really.. it's the one line i want to hear yelled out by Cap when the entire team is finally assembled and is about to kick some ass.

It is their trademark phrase and it has to be in the movie.. and with a good writer and a good actor it won't be cheesy but a "Hell Yeah!" type of moment for the movie.

All Marvel movies are on the verge of dropping into cheese territory.. some avoid it and some step right into it. It is very difficult and i just hope they find the right crew to do it which both respects the original but also manages an update that will be accepted by fans and normal moviegoers.

I don't have a problem with the line itself, it's just that campy superhero movies don't sell, and if we'd like to keep having superhero films come out, then that has to be kept in mind. Pushing the concept of a superhero team in a movie is a tough enough sell as it is. Making the whole enterprise high camp isn't going to do it any favors.

Iron Man shows how you can make a fun superhero flick that isn't cheesy or lame.

I think some fans just have unrealistic expectations for how directly the comics can be translated to the screen. A direct translation would be ruinous, and would probably result in few or no such films being made in the future. That's not something I'd like to see!

I agree, remember that awful Captain America film in the 90's, they used Cap's comic book outfit and it was fugly awful! (And it was an awful film.) Translating Captain America to screen in a way that keeps to the spirit of the comic but doesn't cause you to start laughing is going to be difficult. Hopefully they don't put him in black leather either, yuck!

 

[Captaindemotion]

^On that subject, here's a slightly coy but still interesting interview with Joe Queseda on the Cap movie and how it will lead into The Avengers.

http://chud.com/articles/articles/2...LE-ACTUAL-INFO-ABOUT-MARVEL-MOVIES/Page1.html

 

[GhostFaceSaint]

^On that subject, here's a slightly coy but still interesting interview with Joe Queseda on the Cap movie and how it will lead into The Avengers.

http://chud.com/articles/articles/2...LE-ACTUAL-INFO-ABOUT-MARVEL-MOVIES/Page1.html

Got me curious so I looked up the films progress on imdb.com here is the rundown:

Release Date / 22 July 2011 (USA)

Directed by Joe Johnston
Jack Kirby / characters (I wish he was still around to see this film)
Christopher Markus / screenplay
Stephen McFeely / screenplay
Joe Simon / characters

Produced by
Louis D'Esposito / executive producer
Kevin Feige / producer
Stan Lee / executive producer (awesome)
David Maisel / executive producer

Status / Announced. Scripting. Filming begins summer 2010

I look forward to see who plays Cap and if there will be any production photos. I wonder if the direct sequel to this film will be the Avengers?

 

[Peter the Younger]

Both Cap and Thor are challenging to adapt, because a lot of cheesy silver age stuff is built into the characters, in their appearance and backstories. I think the key is to find the dramatic core of the character, and then find ways to make the various accouterments of the character fit with that.

My hopes are that Captain America will really capture the idea that this guy is from the so-called Greatest Generation, driven by duty. That he isn't just proud to wear the flag and carry it as a shield, he wears it to remind the public at large of their better angels. The real America is a cynical place, where patriotism has often (and recently) been co-opted for odious purposes. If Captain America is going to succeed, they can't ignore that.

Thor is even tougher, but I think the version of him from the Ultimates is a good place to start.

What I fear (for both Cap and Thor) is that we will get a lot of cheesy Hollywood "fish out of water" jokes, like Thor smashing a TV with his hammer.

 

[GhostFaceSaint]

Personally I think Thor can work if it is treated as a fantasy film, only never see Valhalla, Odin should only appear in his old man cloaked form, Loki needs to be played by a charismatic actor, and Thor's strength and abilities when wielding his hammer should come as a surprise, he should look not like a god, but be a little dingy, a little ordinary, a character defined by his actions and not by how he looks or any special CG effects, except for his hammer of course. Oh and I think it would be best if it were set in the past, like Cap being set in WW2, Thor should be set in the Viking era.

 

[Red Ranger]

Thor in the Avengers is no different than Superman in the Justice League. They're both over-the-top characters for their respective settings, which is saying something in and of itself.

That said, the Thor presented in the Ultimate universe was done very well. No one believed he was a god at first and at one point they thought he was simply gaining his powers through technology like Iron Man did. He fit in very well with the rest of the team as far as his power and contribution to the team went, so it's definitely doable.

Oh, and no thank you on Bryan Singer. He can keep his gay agenda to himself. He's already made the X-Men and Superman unbearable to watch. I don't need to see him turn the Avengers into a "subtle" look at how gays and lesbians are treated by the rest of the world, too.

Homophobic, much? It's not like Singer turned any of those characters into homosexuals waving rainbow flags, after all. Sure, I saw the parallels to gay identity in X-Men, but I also saw the parallels to bigotry of all kinds.

As for Thor in the Avengers, I'm not familiar with the Ultimate version, but in the old comics, they kind of took it for granted he was who he said he was -- partly because not only did they meet him but other Asgardians like Loki. The idea of an immortal from Asgard who was once worshipped could spark all kinds of thought-provoking scenarios among the Avengers, from downright disbelief to wonder that they're working alongside someone who claims to be a deity.

I have no solid thought on who could direct Avengers, although I liked Sam Raimi's work on the Spider-Man movies.

Red Ranger

 

[GhostFaceSaint]

Raimi will probably be busy with Spiderman 4, (then 5 and 6).

 

[Greg Cox]

Singer sounds like a good choice. He did a good job of handling multiple superheroes and villains in his X-movies.

And, yeah, I wish that--just once!--Singer's name could be mentioned on-line without someone going on about "gay agendas." I swear, even before SUPERMAN RETURNS came out, it was pretty much impossible to read a thread on that movie that didn't contain snide references to "metrosexuals" or whatever. The thinly-disguised homophobia usually showed up within about five posts or so . . . .

 

[Dream]

That's too bad. Hopefully this means he will do IM3 when the time comes.