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Joker Origin Story Announced

JirinPanthosa said:
The Oscars are fine as long as you realize what their audience is. Effete retirees who have been watching films for decades. People who want films that are smart but not challenging and cover familiar history and their own politics.
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Completely wrong.

I know a few voting Academy members. As an aging and arguably "effete" observer myself, I assure you they are not in or near my cohort. :lol:

(They are pretty damn white, though.)

And suggesting in one paragraph that the Academy favors "unchallenging" entertainment and in the next that there should be another awards show servicing the fans of low-aiming pre-fab adventure flicks is pretty ridiculous.

Anyway...there are already several of those. It's just that no one makes a big deal over them because giving an award to a trivial movie doesn't elevate its prestige a damn bit.
 
Serveaux said:
Completely wrong.
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I do agree he shouldn't have said the Academy favors "challenging" films. He should've used "pretentious".

there should be another awards show servicing the fans of low-aiming pre-fab adventure flicks is pretty ridiculous.
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Nah, that's like saying Pixar didn't deserve any awards.
 
Anwar said:
None of which would've happened if not for the MCU doing all the legwork for it first. Joker getting it's Nom was merely the result of all the hard work Black Panther did before it.
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I was trying to not respond to you, but this is just so ridiculous and you keep saying iy, so I just can't ignore it.
They are just such completely different movies, there is absolutely no way their nominations are at all related.
Honestly, as much I loved Black Panther, it's not really the kind of movie they usually nominate. TBH I kind of suspect it was only nominated because of it's massive cultural impact, not necessarily because the Academy Members actually loved it that much.
Joker on the other hand, is exactly the kind of movie they seem to love, so I am not at all surprised to see it get the nomination. I still find it a bit hard to believe the guy who directed Old School, Starsky & Hutch, and The Hangover movies, is now nominated for Oscars for Best Film, and Best Director.
 
JD said:
I was trying to not respond to you, but this is just so ridiculous and you keep saying iy, so I just can't ignore it.
They are just such completely different movies, there is absolutely no way their nominations are at all related.
Honestly, as much I loved Black Panther, it's not really the kind of movie they usually nominate. TBH I kind of suspect it was only nominated because of it's massive cultural impact, not necessarily because the Academy Members actually loved it that much.
Joker on the other hand, is exactly the kind of movie they seem to love, so I am not at all surprised to see it get the nomination. I still find it a bit hard to believe the guy who directed Old School, Starsky & Hutch, and The Hangover movies, is now nominated for Oscars for Best Film, and Best Director.
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Jonah Hill is a multi time Oscar and Golden Globe nominated actor. There was a time when he was considered the worst from Seth Rogen's not so talented group of homies.
 
JD said:
I was trying to not respond to you, but this is just so ridiculous and you keep saying iy, so I just can't ignore it.
They are just such completely different movies, there is absolutely no way their nominations are at all related.
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BP was the first CBM to get a Best Pic nom. A REAL CBM and not an INO version wherein the director and lead actor openly admit to disliking the genre and used it to get funding and advertising for a film that otherwise would have failed.

Honestly, as much I loved Black Panther, it's not really the kind of movie they usually nominate. TBH I kind of suspect it was only nominated because of it's massive cultural impact, not necessarily because the Academy Members actually loved it that much.
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So like Moonlight then.
 
Serveaux said:
Completely wrong.

I know a few voting Academy members. As an aging and arguably "effete" observer myself, I assure you they are not in or near my cohort. :lol:
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I too know a few voters, and they are not in that stereotyped category. Even if someone does not know a single voter, all they need to do is read up on who are Academy members, which would make that "effete retirees" line pointless right out of the gates.

And suggesting in one paragraph that the Academy favors "unchallenging" entertainment and in the next that there should be another awards show servicing the fans of low-aiming pre-fab adventure flicks is pretty ridiculous.
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...or just be happy with the People's Choice awards or something similar to it. That way, its MCU Obsession morning, noon and night.
 
JD said:
. I still find it a bit hard to believe the guy who directed Old School, Starsky & Hutch, and The Hangover movies, is now nominated for Oscars for Best Film, and Best Director.
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I remember a time when some would never have imagined that a guy who directed Dementia 13 would go on to be nominated 4 times for Best Director at the Academy Awards, winning one. Yes, that was a belief, as next to no one was thinking he was on the path of Oscars recognition as a director when working for Corman.
 
I didn't mean that as rip on Phillips or the movie, I just find it kind of funny how varied his filmography has ended up.
The guy who directed 1941 has also won 2 Best Director Oscars and 1 Best Picture.
Anwar said:
BP was the first CBM to get a Best Pic nom. A REAL CBM and not an INO version wherein the director and lead actor openly admit to disliking the genre and used it to get funding and advertising for a film that otherwise would have failed.
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I can pretty much guarentee that if BP and Joker were the exactly and BP didn't get the nomination Joker still would have. Like I said, just from what people have said about it and what I've seen in the trailers, it's pretty clear Joker is the kind of movie the Academy tends to go for.
 
JD said:
I didn't mean that as rip on Phillips or the movie, I just find it kind of funny how varied his filmography has ended up.
The guy who directed 1941 has also won 2 Best Director Oscars and 1 Best Picture.

I can pretty much guarentee that if BP and Joker were the exactly and BP didn't get the nomination Joker still would have. Like I said, just from what people have said about it and what I've seen in the trailers, it's pretty clear Joker is the kind of movie the Academy tends to go for.
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The Joker is a credible nominee in these categories - virtually no Marvel movies have been - but it's also easy to predict that it will whiff on most of the major awards. Phoenix is a possible, but otherwise...the truth is that while the movie stands head and shoulders above most superhero fare it's superficial and in some ways frustratingly shallow next to the great films it's being compared to right now.*

*Yeah, even the Tarantino flicks.
 
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Danja said:
Oscar LOVES bats%&# crazy (Geoffrey Rush and Charlize Theron both won for playing lunatics).
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But they were also playing real-life people. Oscar loves him some biopic.

One of my favourite things about this year's list is that most of the actors are nominated for playing original characters (though I will admit to loving Remi Malek in Bohemian Rhapsody). I always thought it a shame that eg Michael Keaton in Birdman or Mickey Rourke in The Wrestler, both of whom created new, original, multi-faceted characters, were overlooked in favour of actors from biopics.
 
Captaindemotion said:
I always thought it a shame that eg Michael Keaton in Birdman or Mickey Rourke in The Wrestler, both of whom created new, original, multi-faceted characters, were overlooked in favour of actors from biopics.
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If it's any consolation, Keaton won a Golden Globe for Birdman. :)
 
Captaindemotion said:
But they were also playing real-life people. Oscar loves him some biopic.

One of my favourite things about this year's list is that most of the actors are nominated for playing original characters (though I will admit to loving Remi Malek in Bohemian Rhapsody). I always thought it a shame that eg Michael Keaton in Birdman or Mickey Rourke in The Wrestler, both of whom created new, original, multi-faceted characters, were overlooked in favour of actors from biopics.
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Yes, but Keaton lost to a Double Oscar Bait Actor: Redmayne played someone real AND disabled.

If there's anything the Academy loves more than movies that pat Hollywood on the back (La-La Land) it's that stuff.

Playing mentally handicapped people can backfire though if you don't Oscar Bait it enough: Look at John Travolta in "The Fanatic". He played it too authentically and not overblown and overdramatic.
 
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