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"John Carter of Mars" Moving Ahead!

I enjoyed the books when I was a kid, and I enjoyed the film. It was a hell of a lot more entertaining than Prometheus. I thought Taylor Kitsch probably wasn't the best choice for the lead, but I always have a few personal quibbles like that about films.
 
Odds are most Confederate soldiers couldn't have cared less about slavery. Few could afford them. They were more concerned that them damn Yankees were pickin' a fight and marchin' into their sovereign states.
 
But one thing just glared out on review, concerning the title, John Carter. I've just sort of passed my eyes over all the talk about marketing movies with Mars in the title, etc. But John Carter announcing himself to be John Carter of Mars was a major character beat. John Carter instead of John Carter of Mars was correct. Since Carter's choice between Mars and Earth basically was Carter's "character arc," or, rather, dramatic resolution, John Carter is arguably a better choice than A Princess of Mars.
After watching the movie for myself, I actually agree with you. I still think just "John Carter" is a bland and boring title, but I get what they were going for and it works for me now.
Personally, it should have been "Princess of Mars" and "John Carter of Mars" should have been the sequal. Deja Thoris is the catalyst that transforms Carter. Not just that he loves her, he is a different person because of her. Without her, he would have been content to just find a way to Earth and stay there.
 
^^^Overall, I'd agree that A Princess of Mars would have been a good choice. Dejah Thoris doesn't have a character arc or make the dramatic resolution but, for one thing, A Princess of Mars was the title of the novel that provided most of the characters and a lot of the setup.

I don't know whether it's because they're trying to push people into buying Blu-Ray by limiting access to regular DVDs or not. But when I Redboxed John Carter and still enjoyed the movie I went to check if the movie was on a budget price, being a gigantic box office flop and all. Besides lots of DVDs are being released at $15 or even $12 nowadays. The only thing left on the Wal-Mart shelves was the Blu-Ray (about half a dozen copies) and Blu-Ray 3D. How are DVD sales?
 
^^^Overall, I'd agree that A Princess of Mars would have been a good choice. Dejah Thoris doesn't have a character arc or make the dramatic resolution but, for one thing, A Princess of Mars was the title of the novel that provided most of the characters and a lot of the setup.

Yeah, that was the name of the novel but I think little boys wouldn't be interested in seeing a movie with the word Princess in the title. They should have just stuck with John Carter of Mars.

ANYTHING would have been better than renaming it to the generic John Carter. The marketing people for this movie were idiots. They did everything wrong.
 
. And the idea of something being "too weird" is a sad and scary thought; is imagination really in such short supply?

Well, we're talking here about a year in which the most successful film to date features a power-armored billionaire industrialist, a super-strong mutant green scientist, a cryogenicly-preserved WWII-era supersoldier, and a freaking Norse God from another dimension all teaming up on Earth to fight space aliens using a magic flying aircraft carrier. Nothing is too weird; success is a matter of approaching the material in a way that connects with an audience. The Avengers managed to do that, while John Carter didn't.
Well, I haven't seen Avengers yet, but I suppose that is encouraging. The question is, was it successful because it was good, because it caught people's imaginations, because it had interesting characters and ideas-- or because there was lots of fighting and explosions and stuff?
 
Well, I haven't seen Avengers yet, but I suppose that is encouraging.

What are you waiting for? Go see it ASAP!

The question is, was it successful because it was good, because it caught people's imaginations, because it had interesting characters and ideas-- or because there was lots of fighting and explosions and stuff?

I'd say eveything you mentioned is why it is so successful.

It takes a certain type of movie to become a phenomenon like Avengers has become.
 
I think that question is rather uninteresting, because it is unanswerable, but why assume that audiences flocked to the movie for one of those reasons to the exclusion of all the others?
 
^^ Because it's an unfortunate truism that mindless action puts butts in seats.

Well, I haven't seen Avengers yet, but I suppose that is encouraging.

What are you waiting for? Go see it ASAP!
I am interested in seeing it, despite seldom finding that superheroes cross over into movies and TV well, but I'll wait for pay-per-view. I don't go to the movies much these days. The last film I was inspired to get to the theater for was Indy and the Crystal Skulls.

The question is, was it successful because it was good, because it caught people's imaginations, because it had interesting characters and ideas-- or because there was lots of fighting and explosions and stuff?
I'd say eveything you mentioned is why it is so successful.

It takes a certain type of movie to become a phenomenon like Avengers has become.
I hope you're right, but quality and success are two different things. NuTrek was a phenomenon, too, and that was completely uninspired, as well as badly written.
 
I hope you're right, but quality and success are two different things. NuTrek was a phenomenon, too, and that was completely uninspired, as well as badly written.

Oh my god.

That's three total people on this board who agree that NuTrek's problems are it's own faults, not teh kanon.
 
I bought the blu-ray last night. I thought it was okay. One viewing every few months is okay.

The dialogue was really complicated for those that aren't familiar with these types of scifi movies.

You have terms like " Sab Than" "Thern" "Tal Hajus" " Tars Tarkas" "Jeddak"

That's alot to absorb.
 
Odds are most Confederate soldiers couldn't have cared less about slavery.

Not true, owning a slave was a sign of economic success. It's like owning a Cadillac in my grandfather's day or owning an iPhone now. People, especially Southern apologist, have been trying to play down the cultural importance of slavery in the South. Confederate soldiers weren't just defending their lands, they were defending their twisted version of the American Dream.
 
^^^Overall, I'd agree that A Princess of Mars would have been a good choice. Dejah Thoris doesn't have a character arc or make the dramatic resolution but, for one thing, A Princess of Mars was the title of the novel that provided most of the characters and a lot of the setup.

Yeah, that was the name of the novel but I think little boys wouldn't be interested in seeing a movie with the word Princess in the title. They should have just stuck with John Carter of Mars.

ANYTHING would have been better than renaming it to the generic John Carter. The marketing people for this movie were idiots. They did everything wrong.

Well I think Disney should have written the main character as a WOMAN. Then Princess of Mars sounds really awesome. Joanna Carter, Princess of Mars. They could have easily captured the Hunger games, Twitards demographic.
 
My daughter got me the movie for Father's Day and I just finished watching this. I really loved the movie. It was as good as I expected it to be from all the trailers. A few parts were a little slow and and not being too familiar with the source material it took me a little bit to understand who is who and what is going on. Once that was clear I really loved the story and special effects were great.

The saddest part is that the movie sets itself up for a sequel we probably never will see.
 
I hope you're right, but quality and success are two different things. NuTrek was a phenomenon, too, and that was completely uninspired, as well as badly written.

Oh my god.

That's three total people on this board who agree that NuTrek's problems are it's own faults, not teh kanon.
Oh, yeah, there's no need to worry about it being a bad Star Trek movie-- it's just a bad movie. :rommie:

I'm surprised there's even three....
 
I hope you're right, but quality and success are two different things. NuTrek was a phenomenon, too, and that was completely uninspired, as well as badly written.

Oh my god.

That's three total people on this board who agree that NuTrek's problems are it's own faults, not teh kanon.
Oh, yeah, there's no need to worry about it being a bad Star Trek movie-- it's just a bad movie. :rommie:

I'm surprised there's even three....
Oh give it up Star Trek was not a bad movie. It was certainly better than the majority of Trek films to date.
 
Oh give it up Star Trek was not a bad movie. It was certainly better than the majority of Trek films to date.
No. And I'm sure there are more than three around here.

*raises hand* Four! :)

I feel sorry for you. To hate something so fun so much that you can't stop talking about it and threadcrapping about it. If I don't like something I don't waste my time talking about or even thinking about it. i certainly don't take every opportunity to bring it up. Even in threads that have nothing remotely about them.
 
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