JMS, of Babylon 5...

[JoeD80]

I throw a soft cushion at the TV, what a crazed nutcase I am.

Yes that's what I said. I said you are a crazed nutcase for throwing stuff at the TV. Let's run with that. There was also something about hamsters and jello, but I was never quite clear what that one was about.

I was never pissed, it was just that episode convinced it wasn't worth the effort making the time to catch the rest on first run.

You didn't say "I never tuned in for first run again" you said "I never tuned in again," which led to my misunderstanding.

 

[Vigilance]

I think a JMS trek series/movie would rock. I loved B5 and I loved Jeremiah. He's excellent at long form sci-fi.

That said, I think this movie has nothing to do with his pitch.

 

[Lindley]

As awesome as Jeremiah was, it pretty much cemented my feeling that JMS only really has one story to tell, and just likes re-telling it lots of different ways.

 

[JoeD80]

JMS only really has one story to tell, and just likes re-telling it lots of different ways.

Yeah, his Real Ghostbusters scripts always seemed to be copies of his She-Ra scripts with the names changed...

what "one story" is it you are referring to?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I lost so much money buying all 1 of those DVDs. It was terrible, I tells ya

I saved mine, by not.

 

[JoeD80]

I lost so much money buying all 1 of those DVDs. It was terrible, I tells ya

I saved mine, by not.

Fascinating.

 

[Mysterion]

I like the JMS/Zabel proposal. Would make a fine series of follow-up novels to the upcomiig movie, maybe.

 

[Borgminister]

That JMS. First a visionary on DS9, now on TrekXI.

 

[Sci]

...proposed (am I the only one to remember this?) that Star Trek would do well - and he proposed this around the time that Enterprise was going to be or just had been cancelled - to reboot. He wrote a treatment (I'm sure it's still online somewhere) suggesting that new actors be cast to play the original crew, and that this be done publicly over a long period of time (so as to create/gain more interest, whether by disaffection-laced debates or what not)...but he suggested that it be a series.


My theory is that someone around Paramount found his treatment and decided, "Heck, we can make a film out of this." Anyone think this is plausible?

I think, if nothing else, it should be recognized that JMS thought of this idea - a reboot sort of thing - LONG before Paramount did.

Harve Bennet thought of that idea long before JMS did when he pitched his idea for Star Trek VI. And JMS certainly didn't hit on the idea of Kirk and Co. being portrayed at the start of their careers, or the older Spock bit.

 

[Plain Simple]

I read that JMS proposal a while back. Just seemed to be B5 set in a Star Trek setting though. Now I like both Trek and B5, but I see no reason to marry the two in a repeat of what has already been done. But, like with all fiction, in the end it's the execution, not the premise, that makes whether or not a story does well and is liked.

 

[jamestyler]

Harve Bennet thought of that idea long before JMS did when he pitched his idea for Star Trek VI. And JMS certainly didn't hit on the idea of Kirk and Co. being portrayed at the start of their careers, or the older Spock bit.

I was about to post the same thing. There's some concept art in one of the two-disc set features too.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

That JMS. First a visionary on DS9, now on TrekXI.

 

[sidious618]

Yeah, I love JMS, he's my favorite script writer, but he doesn't really belong with Star Trek. His show would've been better than Ent or Voy, though.

 

[M'Sharak]

...proposed (am I the only one to remember this?)

No, you're not. It was discussed here quite a bit at the time.

My theory is that someone around Paramount found his treatment and decided, "Heck, we can make a film out of this." Anyone think this is plausible?

No, I don't.

JMS pitched it to Paramount. They weren't interested. End of story.

I think, if nothing else, it should be recognized that JMS thought of this idea - a reboot sort of thing - LONG before Paramount did.

Again, no. Several others have already pointed out why this is not so.

That JMS. First a visionary on DS9...

Gah. Let's not go there, shall we?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Yeah, I love JMS, he's my favorite script writer, but he doesn't really belong with Star Trek. His show would've been better than Ent or Voy, though.

No.

 

[JoeD80]

No.

Wow you always add so much to the conversation. Thank you. My life is richer now.

 

[USS Intrepid]

Yep. It's basically B5/Crusade interstellar conspiracy nonsense. "Find out who planted the secret code in human DNA."

One can imagine just how gripping and profound the resolution of that one would have been. "Get the hell out of our galaxy!"

It's funny 'cause it's true.

 

[JoeD80]

Yep. It's basically B5/Crusade interstellar conspiracy nonsense. "Find out who planted the secret code in human DNA."

One can imagine just how gripping and profound the resolution of that one would have been. "Get the hell out of our galaxy!"

It's funny 'cause it's true.

Except that episode wasn't the resolution to Babylon 5, happening early in season 4. It was only the end of one thread, and not even the end of that one really, with parts of that same thread being picked up in Secrets of the Soul and Movements of Fire and Shadow.

 

[number6]

Yep. It's basically B5/Crusade interstellar conspiracy nonsense. "Find out who planted the secret code in human DNA."

One can imagine just how gripping and profound the resolution of that one would have been. "Get the hell out of our galaxy!"

It's funny 'cause it's true.

Except that episode wasn't the resolution to Babylon 5, happening early in season 4. It was only the end of one thread, and not even the end of that one really, with parts of that same thread being picked up in Secrets of the Soul and Movements of Fire and Shadow.

It still sucked donkey scrotum.

 

[Ovation]

I just read the treatment (thanks to the above link) and it reads like B5 dressed in Star Trek clothes. I liked B5 (though not nearly as much as I like Trek) but the core "mission" idea in the JMS proposal does not appeal to me. I'd probably still have watched it (at least long enough to decide whether it was worth it) but I would not have been all that excited by it in the form it is portrayed in the treatment.