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JJ (messed) STAR TREK UP AND WILL (mess) UP STAR WARS TOO

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Re: JJ FUCKED STAR TREK UP AND WILL FUCK UP STAR WARS TOO

I've never understood some people's obsession with not breaking the fourth wall in movies/TV shows. We all know we're watching a story, so I don't see why people can't occasionally have fun with it.
I enjoyed The Purple Rose of Cairo, for example, for this very reason. I liked Burt Reynolds's wink at the camera in Smokey and the Bandit while some critics did not for philosophical reasons. I do like breaking the fourth wall when it is fun and creative. But think of how annoying and unhealthy repetitive motion can be and that's how I view JJ's flares - OK, you did it once for art, now let's move on before it becomes mindlessly habitual and repetitious.

JJ doesn't do lens flare with the same intentions as my example above. I enjoy movies with music and favorite actors. I don't enjoy JJ's compulsion to do lens flare any more than I enjoy bad acting. It's my opinion, and I don't speak alone, that his aggressive use of lens flare is bad art. It's like the backscratch that becomes painful if done in the same spot for too long. Yeah, it feels nice at first, then not so much.

Performances like movies, theater, singing and sex are very similar in that complete trust very much increases the pleasure of the experience. When you have to wonder with some fear whether, for a polite example, the singer can make it through their song without hitting a bad note and embarrassing themselves, it detracts from the enjoyment. With trust you can lose yourself in the experience with tremendous enjoyment. Wondering when the next flare, like the bad note or the missed line or the annoying lover, will happen is distracting - it has become a lot like hearing The Wilhelm in an otherwise serious action movie. The flares, having become a joke, are no longer sexy for me in JJ's hands.

You are welcome to enjoy JJ's lens flares if they hit your pleasure center that way. I'm sure I'll enjoy Star Wars no matter what. But I hope he earns back my trust and refrains from the excessive and compulsive use of flares (and, by many besides JJ, Wilhelms - I'm looking at you, Ben Burtt). I like my Star Wars (and Star Trek) sexy, not trampy with too much makeup.

If the trailer only has one lens flair, that's a good sign. The OP is overreacting.
 
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Truth be told, I am way over the mandatory Wilhelm scream in movies these days. It used to be a nice easter egg, now it's just ubiquitous.
 
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JJ may eff up Star Wars. I wouldn't be at all surprised.

The again he may not.

Why don't we wait and see. We can all have a good argument then !
 
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Just looking at the realism of the cinematography, I think he'll do Star Wars better than Original-Lucas did Star Wars - and orders of magnitude better than Prequel-Lucas. Even with lens flare.
 
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I find it ridiculous to attack a member--in said member's thread--when JJ fans could have exercised self control and AVOID POSTING IN HIS THREAD. What purpose does that serve?

Again, I find it ridiculous to attack a member--in said member's thread--when JJ fans could have exercised self control and AVOID POSTING IN HIS THREAD. What purpose does that serve?
Just because you don't understand how forums work doesn't mean everyone else has to conform to your ridiculous standards. And that's not going to change no matter how many times you shout the same thing in bold and ALL CAPS.

He posted a premise for the thread, as thin as it was, and it's then open for others to comment on. It's not some anti-Abrams free fire zone where you get to say whatever you want without criticism.

And quit trying to make this about Trek-09 and STiD fans. This was a stupid premise for attacking The Force Awakens regardless of how one feels about Abrams' prior outings in Trek or otherwise. I think you'll find some people who didn't like his take on Trek who will find the OP's commentary equally hyperbolic and stupid as those who did enjoy Abrams' Trek films.

Translated: you are still being childish, and frankly disgusting with that image, because you cannot stop yourself from posting attacks against someone who is not worshiping Abrams.

You get that all these same arguments apply right back to you, right? If you don't like what you see, you are equally free not to reply. Or do reply if you want. Though I should note that none of your posts have actually been on the subject matter of the thread (again, thin as it was), instead of just arrogantly lecturing everyone else about how and when they should respond.
 
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Thing is, the OP watched a three-minute trailer, saw a single shot that he didn't like, and started a thread declaring the whole thing Ruined Forever.

That behavior is what most posters have responded to in a completely reasonable - and fairly amused - fashion. And no one to this point has responded with a reasonable defense or supporting argument for the thread premise - certainly not the OP or Trek_God1.
 
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This is a public discussion forum. We have just as much right to refute the OP's ridiculous assertion as you do to defend it TREK_GOD_1. People don't own a thread just because they start it and there is no requirement for posters to agree with the OP.

Well said.

Exactly. It's a message board, not a blog.

If I post that Cleopatra 2525 was the greatest science fiction show to ever air on television, I expect that other people might dispute that assertion . . . :)

With any luck, a lively discussion would then ensue, which is kinda the whole point of posting here.
 
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I thought it was a pretty fantastic trailer myself. I can't wait to see it.
LOL. I find this post to be brilliant irony as grammatically stated about the OP's leap to conclusions. Sadly, I think it was grammatically unintentional as the second sentence probably refers to the movie and not the trailer itself.
 
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I thought it was a pretty fantastic trailer myself. I can't wait to see it.
LOL. I find this post to be brilliant irony as grammatically stated about the OP's leap to conclusions. Sadly, I think it was grammatically unintentional as the second sentence probably refers to the movie and not the trailer itself.

I'm sure it makes you feel superior in the moment to point out the blindingly obvious in an obnoxious attempt to embarrass people, but I assure you that's not how it comes off to most others when you do this.
 
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Sorry, that wasn't my intent. I just find enjoyment and humor in grammar - and especially irony - when I can. It's like a surprise gift. See my sig.
 
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I think Abrams is overrated and I think his fans can be overly defensive, especially considering how popular his work is, but this thread is obviously ridiculous. Abrams can't ruin Star Wars, the original six films will always be there even if The Force Awakens turns out to be a porno. Abrams also didn't ruin Star Trek- again, the old series are all still out there. The only thing Abrams can do is make a Star Wars film you might not want to watch again. It'd be a letdown, but, hey don't worry, apparently they're going to be making one every fucking year.
 
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Hey, now that you mention it, why hasn't someone made a porno parody of the Star Wars franchise yet? They've hit all the other big movie franchises in recent years..
 
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I saw this particular "lens flare" in the trailer and just assumed the thing must have been really fucking bright.
 
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This is a public discussion forum. We have just as much right to refute the OP's ridiculous assertion as you do to defend it TREK_GOD_1. People don't own a thread just because they start it and there is no requirement for posters to agree with the OP.

Well said.

Exactly. It's a message board, not a blog.

If I post that Cleopatra 2525 was the greatest science fiction show to ever air on television, I expect that other people might dispute that assertion . . . :)

With any luck, a lively discussion would then ensue, which is kinda the whole point of posting here.

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I thought it was a pretty fantastic trailer myself. I can't wait to see it.
LOL. I find this post to be brilliant irony as grammatically stated about the OP's leap to conclusions. Sadly, I think it was grammatically unintentional as the second sentence probably refers to the movie and not the trailer itself.

Sorry. It was my proofreader's day off. :rolleyes:
 
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Lens flares are pure JJ! Trumbull's EEG would never have stuck foil into the camera to get flares off the drydock lights in The Motion Picture or anything to add some sense of realism... except when they did. <thumbs nose>
 
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:scream: My threads always die on the vine and this gets seven pages!
 
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How is this thread even still open? I know Moderators are not and cannot be around at all times, but seems like this is a troll thread that should have been slammed closed right away, if not for the expletive in the title along (which aren't allowed on the board outside of, maybe, TNZ.)

Is there only one Sci-Fi mod?
 
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