I have always wondered if the events of this animated episode was in actuality a Section 31 mission. It has all the trappings.
That was the Skorr side of the story. The "operation" that sees Kirk and Spock join this team is set up by the Vedala.No, it doesn't. It has no links to Section 31 whatsoever, except that something vaguely conspiratorial was going on. It was masterminded by that bird-prince (can't remember either his name or the name of his species off the top of my head), to restore his race's lost glory or something like that.
Not to mention diametrically opposed to the spirit of Star Trek; a pox on whoever created this murderous organization.
That would be Ira Steven Behr.a pox on whoever created this murderous organization.
Plenty of need for an in universe counterpart to today's FBI, CIA, NSA, etc
Nah. In a universe where the Tal Shiar and the Obsidian Order exist, Section 31 is necessary and logical. Makes no sense to depict the Federation can stand toe to toe with these other empires while lacking the same components.
The pox should be on whomever thought Section 31 should be constantly depicted as villainous an ham fisted.
Plenty of need for an in universe counterpart to today's FBI, CIA, NSA, etc
Need? Of course there's no need for it, but it show cases that some times humanity reacts negatively to external threats. It's not such a far reach when you have various captains and admirals who engage in illegal or unethical behavior, or conspiracies. It wouldn't surprise me that people like Cartwright, wouldn't utilize assets from Starfleet Intelligence or Federation Security to try and combat problems any number of ways in order to facilitate their own sense of security. Fear makes for strange reactions, and the spirit of cooperation that had the foundation of the Federation and mutual trust to solve problems isn't going to make everyone happy.There already IS such an organization. It's called Starfleet Intelligence.
As much as one might disapprove of what the FBI/CIA/NSA do, at least they are legitimate organizations which must justify their budgets, follow the law, and answer to the President.
Same story here. There is no need for Section 31; if Starfleet Intelligence can't do it, it doesn't deserve to get done. It's as simple as that.
The point of Star Trek's Federation is that humanity truly has improved (not perfect...yet, but far beyond our present state of affairs); having Space KGB be a vital part of an honestly enlightened society is grotesquely absurd
There already IS such an organization. It's called Starfleet Intelligence.
Drama wins out.About as dumb as always depicting the Duras family as villians despite the series or fictional era depicted.
In DS9 it was so secret that neither the audience or the characters are certain if it exists or if it is the delusions of one guy. I especially love (no, don't love) that S31 is "part of the Federation charter". The... secret not written down part? That's certainly a contradiction in terms, isn't it?Instead they cooked up an entire official government agency that is always depicted as crooked. And they have their own ships with cloaking devices.
The intent in DS9 was that Section 31 was an illegal criminal conspiracy, not a legitimate government agency. STID and Disco were the ones who treated them like a legitimate agency.Instead they cooked up an entire official government agency that is always depicted as crooked. And they have their own ships with cloaking devices.
The idea is the organization uses an interpretation of the thirty-first section of the charter to justify and rationalize their actions and existence. Think of it as something similar to a bunch of gun nuts in the US forming a club named Second Amendment.I especially love (no, don't love) that S31 is "part of the Federation charter". The... secret not written down part? That's certainly a contradiction in terms, isn't it?
The intent in DS9 was that Section 31 was an illegal criminal conspiracy, not a legitimate government agency. STID and Disco were the ones who treated them like a legitimate agency.
Indeed. There is hints and such to Section 31 as both official and unofficial. And yes, I agree with many that if Starfleet Intelligence can't accomplish it then it shouldn't be done. But that's not the dramatic purpose of S31. It's there to reflect the tendency that humanity has that in the face of dangerous threats any means necessary becomes a path forward. Deep Space Nine really explored that in an interesting way, reflecting that as much as humans want to move forward, to grow and become better, there are still aspects of survival that seems to appear in humanity regardless of day, age or technological development.Nah, I think that ship sailed in DS9. Multiple appearances on both DS9 and ENT. ENT even establishes that it's been there since the beginning.
It's established in DS9 "Inquisition" that Section 31 is in the Federation charter.
SLOAN: We don't submit reports or ask for approval for specific operations, if that's what you mean. We're an autonomous department.
BASHIR: Authorised by whom?
SLOAN: Section thirty one was part of the original Starfleet charter.
BASHIR: But that was two hundred years ago. Are you telling me you've been working on your own ever since? Without specific orders? Accountable to nobody but yourselves?
SLOAN: You make it sound so ominous.
That is one reason - among many - as to why I do not consider Deep Dish Nine real Star Trek.
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