I told ya'll years ago the bitch was nuts but NOooooooooo..........
Where's Lynx, he's got some Crow to eat.
Not cool. She's either got an addiction or mental health issue.
Jennifer Lien In Legal Trouble Again
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Not cool. She's either got an addiction or mental health issue.
I told ya'll years ago the bitch was nuts but NOooooooooo..........
Where's Lynx, he's got some Crow to eat.
Not cool. She's either got an addiction or mental health issue.
Knew that years ago.
that was my point. I had told everyone back during Voyager season 1 that she used to show up to conventions high but nobody believed it.
Folks believed the actors and the characters they play were one and the same. Because Kes was innocent, so must Jen Lien.
Surprise!
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I told ya'll years ago the bitch was nuts but NOooooooooo..........
Where's Lynx, he's got some Crow to eat.
Not cool. She's either got an addiction or mental health issue.
Knew that years ago.
Calling her a bitch doesn't help matters.
It's ok, I don't think she heard me.
Not cool. She's either got an addiction or mental health issue.
Knew that years ago.
Calling her a bitch doesn't help matters.
I told ya'll years ago the bitch was nuts but NOooooooooo..........
Where's Lynx, he's got some Crow to eat.
Not cool. She's either got an addiction or mental health issue.
Knew that years ago.
that was my point. I had told everyone back during Voyager season 1 that she used to show up to conventions high but nobody believed it.
Interesting information. That would certainly explain a lot.
Not cool. She's either got an addiction or mental health issue.
Knew that years ago.
Calling her a bitch doesn't help matters.
I agree with BillJ and sjsharksfan39. She needs help, not name-calling.
I work in mental health and addiction and I'm sorry but Jennifer's face is the face of someone struggling with drug addiction. I hope she gets help.
I also agree. Let's keep things civil folks.
The woman needs help. She'll be offered it, I'm sure, whether or not she'll avail herself of it or take the treatment seriously is another matter. So many people go through the motions when getting into legal trouble and sentenced to counseling or treatment it's almost a joke. They have no intention of changing their ways. Hopefully for Jen's sake, and her family, she pulls through.
Meth?
She saw a problem with a child or two and spoke up.
Everything else that ensued is told from someone else's point of view. There are notable omissions. Flashing was obviously an escalation - but what triggered that from the other person's side? What was the point Lien was trying to make, if there was one? People don't just randomly do that, unless you're trying to paint them as "crazy".
Were the parents bullying their children? Emotionally neglecting them? Were they being innnocent? We have only their side of the story. Flashing is illegal. Was it the reason for the cop call, or was it fishing for a litany of offenses once an opponent or cop decides to max out the meter? I can give them the benefit of the doubt as well - but I have known people who, once pulled over, have had cops shopping their car for a list of fines. That may be legal, but it's also a petty interpretation of office.
With how quick people are to impune a former celebrity, thank goodness for due process, where both sides can be revealed. People can have a nutso argument blow up without need for any diagnosis of addiction, schizophrenia, psychosis, or abusiveness. Sometimes it also depends on how completely out of context others paint your actions for dramatic effect and grievance. Sometimes, people say and do things in a heated argument. Doesn't mean they need sympathy, "help", or a media witch's bonfire.
Maybe she's got issues, sure. Or maybe she's dealing with a bunch of hill apples who want to ride her former celebrity into the ground, and push her to the edge of their own "crazy". Present company excepted!
Her blood's in the water now. Lots of smoke and it's not looking good.
Another point I'll make is that you can't avoid your neighbors. One bad argument and your whole home life can get bad real quick. Play nice.
It's easy to assume the worst in others. A healthy paranoia is useful at times. But any one of us can be put under the microscope and found wanting. Our "heroes" - all of 'em - are just imperfect people too, like us. Best to reserve judgment for a jury and proper legal representation. It looks bad, but there are plenty of unanswered questions here.
There are potential bullies on both sides of the camera, the fence, the dinner table, and even the badge. And they all can make accusations and push people to extreme defensive behavior. No, I am not saying innocent or guilty here. That's kinda my point. I look at criminal behavior - and I look at the others surrounding it, too. It takes two to tango.
A lot of experts in the world tho, expecially selling advertising time.
I won't disagree with this (Occam's Razor), but at this point it is still speculation and not a diagnosis.
Everything else that ensued is told from someone else's point of view. There are notable omissions. Flashing was obviously an escalation - but what triggered that from the other person's side? What was the point Lien was trying to make, if there was one? People don't just randomly do that, unless you're trying to paint them as "crazy".
Were the parents bullying their children? Emotionally neglecting them? Were they being innnocent? We have only their side of the story. Flashing is illegal. Was it the reason for the cop call, or was it fishing for a litany of offenses once an opponent or cop decides to max out the meter? I can give them the benefit of the doubt as well - but I have known people who, once pulled over, have had cops shopping their car for a list of fines. That may be legal, but it's also a petty interpretation of office.
With how quick people are to impune a former celebrity, thank goodness for due process, where both sides can be revealed. People can have a nutso argument blow up without need for any diagnosis of addiction, schizophrenia, psychosis, or abusiveness. Sometimes it also depends on how completely out of context others paint your actions for dramatic effect and grievance. Sometimes, people say and do things in a heated argument. Doesn't mean they need sympathy, "help", or a media witch's bonfire.
Maybe she's got issues, sure. Or maybe she's dealing with a bunch of hill apples who want to ride her former celebrity into the ground, and push her to the edge of their own "crazy". Present company excepted!
Her blood's in the water now. Lots of smoke and it's not looking good.
Another point I'll make is that you can't avoid your neighbors. One bad argument and your whole home life can get bad real quick. Play nice.
It's easy to assume the worst in others. A healthy paranoia is useful at times. But any one of us can be put under the microscope and found wanting. Our "heroes" - all of 'em - are just imperfect people too, like us. Best to reserve judgment for a jury and proper legal representation. It looks bad, but there are plenty of unanswered questions here.
There are potential bullies on both sides of the camera, the fence, the dinner table, and even the badge. And they all can make accusations and push people to extreme defensive behavior. No, I am not saying innocent or guilty here. That's kinda my point. I look at criminal behavior - and I look at the others surrounding it, too. It takes two to tango.
A lot of experts in the world tho, expecially selling advertising time.
I won't disagree with this (Occam's Razor), but at this point it is still speculation and not a diagnosis.
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You can be mentally sound, and straight like a razor and still set your neighbours car on fire.
Something obviously has gone badly off the rails for her, whatever the truth is in this case. I'm sure there are plenty of people willing to help her, but she has to be willing to accept that help. Hopefully she will.
You cant help someone with an addiction.
she can only seek help, if she herself chooses.
Even then, once an addict always an addict.
It's something you fight with daily for the rest of your life.
She's had the problem way back when she was a young woman on Voyager. You can see why they kept why she was let go so hush-hush.
Being fired from Voyager didn't cause this either.
Many people are born with addictive personalities that cause them to be more vulnerable to these things.
The names she will now be called are the least of her problems
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Sad. Career failure and drugs are a devastating combination.
I hope she gets better.
That's false. It's sometimes possible to help someone with an addiction when they finally decide they want help. If that weren't the case, even seeking help would be pointless. Sadly, it's not always possible to help people with addictions, but it's just simply not the case that it's never possible.
Saying that she needs help doesn't mean that other people will do all the work to get her mentally healthy. Of course, it doesn't work that way. It simply a) means what it says on face value, that she needs help, and b) implicitly that it would be ideal if help could be available to her if she decides to avail herself of it.
Absolutely. I hope she is offered the help she needs. It's unfortunate now that criminal charges are going to be involved. Based on the assumption that this is primarily a mental health and/or addiction issue, it would be a real shame if she were simply warehoused until her sentence is up. Based on what I know, that would be one of the worst possible outcomes for her.
False?
You just said the exact same thing.
No, I didn't. You said, "You cant help someone with an addiction."
That's a direct quote. What I said isn't the same thing as that at all.
It is clear that she is suffering from major mental health (clinical depression) and addiction issues - she showed ever more obvious signs of that in recent years, but unfortunately many (including myself, sadly) were too ignorant or too judgemental about what was really happening to her. This seems worse than Leonard Nimoy's wilderness years in the 1970s battling the bottle. This is very shocking and sad, and I hope she turns her life around.
