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Jenna is Going

Unless the Doctor introduces them yo each other in some convoluted way where he makes Jenny promise to pretend to not know him, or her memory is wiped to some degree.
 
Capaldi was on the One Show last night and, when asked, said "Is she? No one's told me." before adding. "Leave at Christmas, she might not make it to Christmas." :lol: I thought he handled it quite well in an "I couldn't possibly comment" kind of way!
 
At least there's no outright lying going on as their was when the BBC announced that Billie Piper was returning for Series 3...
 
Then what about Liz Shaw, she no trips in the TARDIS yet was a companion for a full season?
I think another rule covers her.

I just remember, a while back, when it was debated about Astrid, Katarina, Grace, The Brig and Benton, and a few others, someone pointed at the "2 Seperate TARDIS Trips" rule.
Did Liz ever ride in Bessie?

Yeah. She was on what I assume was the first longer ride for Bessie in Doctor Who and the Silurians.
 
Frazer Hines holds the record for longest running companion, at 117 episodes.

Strange you should mention that--since this new Doctor really needs a Jamie to serve as muscle.

No reason the "muscle" has to be a male. And I don't really recall Tennant or Smith doing much hand-to-hand combat. Meanwhile, Capaldi's Doctor did get into a hand-to-hand fight with the Half-Face Man here, and it's possible he won. He may be the same age Hartnell was at the start, but he's a whole lot more fit.
 
No reason the "muscle" has to be a male.

I very much agree--we saw that with Leela of course...and I wouldn't want Ace near me with a baseball bat---but it just isn't going to be Clara. I think this Doctor will do things that might even shock the War Doctor--at least that is the vibe I'm picking up. He would have had no problem touching those two wires together on Skaro.
 
I think this Doctor will do things that might even shock the War Doctor--at least that is the vibe I'm picking up. He would have had no problem touching those two wires together on Skaro.

Really? He was very reluctant to even kill the half-face man. "I'm getting the horrible feeling that I'm going to kill you" doesn't sound like someone who's cold-blooded about these things.
 
Really? He was very reluctant to even kill the half-face man. "I'm getting the horrible feeling that I'm going to kill you" doesn't sound like someone who's cold-blooded about these things.

Agreed. I think that dark, violent antiheroes have somehow become fashionable and something that people want to see, so some are projecting that desire onto Capaldi, as if a ruthless and violent Doctor could possibly be a good thing.

Still, I think Moffat may have gone too far in the other direction by trying to create a mystery about whether the Doctor "crossed a line" by killing the bad guy. He's been reluctantly killing bad guys for 50 years now. Very few of his enemies have survived the encounter, no matter how much the Doctor has felt "There should've been another way." So trying to make it ambiguous all of a sudden didn't really ring true.
 
Still, I think Moffat may have gone too far in the other direction by trying to create a mystery about whether the Doctor "crossed a line" by killing the bad guy. He's been reluctantly killing bad guys for 50 years now. Very few of his enemies have survived the encounter, no matter how much the Doctor has felt "There should've been another way." So trying to make it ambiguous all of a sudden didn't really ring true.

I think that this will play a role in the season arc. The half-face man ended up with Missy in "Heaven", after all. While I like the little mystery of whether the Doctor pushed him or not (this mystery only works because we know that he's perfectly capable of doing that) it was probably not the main motivation for the ambiguousness. I believe that by the end of the season we'll know what happened.
 
Still, I think Moffat may have gone too far in the other direction by trying to create a mystery about whether the Doctor "crossed a line" by killing the bad guy. He's been reluctantly killing bad guys for 50 years now. Very few of his enemies have survived the encounter, no matter how much the Doctor has felt "There should've been another way." So trying to make it ambiguous all of a sudden didn't really ring true.

I think that this will play a role in the season arc. The half-face man ended up with Missy in "Heaven", after all. While I like the little mystery of whether the Doctor pushed him or not (this mystery only works because we know that he's perfectly capable of doing that) it was probably not the main motivation for the ambiguousness. I believe that by the end of the season we'll know what happened.

I hope we don't- it's much more fun having that ambiguousness.
 
I hope we don't- it's much more fun having that ambiguousness.

Sorry, but I don't see why. As I said, we've seen the Doctor cause the death of his foes on many occasions in the past. Sure, he hasn't enjoyed doing it, but he's still done it pretty routinely. Being coy about it all of a sudden just seems contrived.
 
I hope we don't- it's much more fun having that ambiguousness.

Sorry, but I don't see why. As I said, we've seen the Doctor cause the death of his foes on many occasions in the past. Sure, he hasn't enjoyed doing it, but he's still done it pretty routinely. Being coy about it all of a sudden just seems contrived.

For one thing it's a robot and you can't really kill a robot and for another it's likely that everybody in the Neithersphere are there because the Doctor ended their lives in some fashion. The math on the floor is part of the answer I think.
 
Still, I think Moffat may have gone too far in the other direction by trying to create a mystery about whether the Doctor "crossed a line" by killing the bad guy. He's been reluctantly killing bad guys for 50 years now. Very few of his enemies have survived the encounter, no matter how much the Doctor has felt "There should've been another way." So trying to make it ambiguous all of a sudden didn't really ring true.

I think that this will play a role in the season arc. The half-face man ended up with Missy in "Heaven", after all. While I like the little mystery of whether the Doctor pushed him or not (this mystery only works because we know that he's perfectly capable of doing that) it was probably not the main motivation for the ambiguousness. I believe that by the end of the season we'll know what happened.

I hope we don't- it's much more fun having that ambiguousness.

I actually think it's a bit of a cop out. Making it seem like the Doctor could've done it, without actually showing him do it. He's supposed to be dark, without showing him do dark things.

Not terrible. I like his new character so far. But, wasn't overly impressed with that bit. Maybe it'll tie into something larger. At least that would be something.

But, I thought Capaldi did great overall. Happy with the changes.

Mr Awe
 
Strange you should mention that--since this new Doctor really needs a Jamie to serve as muscle.

"Muscle" isn't the right word for me.

I'd say that a Capaldi-led show may need an action lead to match Capaldi's brainy lead. A Riker to Capaldi's Picard. An Ian to Hartnell's Doctor. Not really muscle, per se. Just someone to do the action stuff.

And, frankly, spread the acting workload around.

I hope we don't- it's much more fun having that ambiguousness.

Sorry, but I don't see why. As I said, we've seen the Doctor cause the death of his foes on many occasions in the past. Sure, he hasn't enjoyed doing it, but he's still done it pretty routinely. Being coy about it all of a sudden just seems contrived.

I agree with Christopher here. I think I can see Moffat's reasoning -- the Doctor is a hero for children, so he shouldn't be killing his enemies, just like he couldn't frag Gallifrey -- but that's a misunderstanding of the character historically. The Doctor has always gotten his hands dirty. Suddenly being coy about it doesn't mean he doesn't.
 
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