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Not for that reason the Andorian protagonist fights a lost fight to protect Andor and the federation even when everything is against him, he fights in an intelligent way and he dies fighting sacrifices for the good of his world claiming that his actions of self sacrifice and fight With honor for the good of Andor is the way of the Andorians
he Does not fight waiting to enter, for this glorious battle, to a mystical place that only a worthy warrior can enter, does not fight for the fortune or personal glory, since what it does is a secret mission and no one knows what he did to protect the federation and andor , Not fight for wealth or power, fight for a sense of honor and loyalty, for the sake of andor
Sounds like a nice story. A story that's been told about many people in many cultures. No doubt the Klingons and Vikings have a version too.
 
Sounds like a nice story. A story that's been told about many people in many cultures. No doubt the Klingons and Vikings have a version too.
And that's why I liked it so much because reinforced my concept of the Andorians as Stoic warriors.

So I would like to see an interaction between an Andorian and a Klingon
 
And that's why I liked it so much because reinforced my concept of the Andorians as Stoic warriors.

So I would like to see an interaction between an Andorian and a Klingon
Stoic Warriors? Have you watched Enterprise???
 
Stoic Warriors? Have you watched Enterprise???
That too show it !! While the most members of the ship were drinking at the bar, the Andorian is working !! It's so cool even has a conversation with deanna troi

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That too show it !! While the most members of the ship were drinking at the bar, the Andorian is working !! It's so cool even has a conversation with deanna troi
Enterprise showed them as Stoic Warriors?

There's like 1000 people on the E-D. It'd have to be a big bar. :lol:
 
Enterprise showed them as Stoic Warriors?

There's like 1000 people on the E-D. It'd have to be a big bar. :lol:
You have to see this, he is really planning his fight that will take him to his death from that moment is indeed very impressive
 
I liked what I saw on Enterprise. Shran and his buddies.
but andor is now part of the federation
Is not canon but in the novels of the romulan war shran fight in the battle of cheron against the romulan and in the rise of the federation he is the admiral charge of the protection of the federation
 
The samurai were a semi-noble class of a very advanced society. The samurai were much more civilized than the Vikings did not fight to plunder to sweep everything in their path, they were fighting for a sense of loyalty to the daimyo, shogun, emperor. Their customs and education were more advanced
No offense, but a lot of this is romanticized western bullshit. For a long time, samurai were some of the most savage and sadistic bastards of modern human history. This goes all the way back to the mid Fujiwara period (10th centuryish), when the warrior clans first started asserting their power over the religious-based government to when the Shogunate finally took control during the Kemmu Restoration (early 14th).

During this time, Japan was in a state of constant civil war, where territory literally changed over night, night after night. They tried to maintain a pretense of some kind honor system based on held-over rules and principles dating back to the infusion of Zen Buddhism in the early 6th century, but nobody adhered to them. If you were a lieutenant, and it was in your best interest to stab your boss in the back, you did so--or better yet, you paid someone to do it (See: Go ninja! Go ninja! Go!)

And while, you're correct that their education and technology level was very high during most of the first millennium, there was a huge regression during this period, outside of a few apprenticed tradesmen and the monks--and of course the ruling class. Most of the country was dump as a post.

This was because Shintoism became the dominate religion of Zen Buddhism, which is basically just Confucian Taoism. And traditional Shinto is indeed very icon/deity based and it does have an afterlife.

Anyways, all this infighting for over two and a half centuries. The reason why the never became conquerors was because they were too busy killing themselves.

Finally, everyone got tired of it and resources became too scares, so they were forced into unification early-mid 17th century and the start of the Tokugawa period. Which is were all the celebrated samurai stuff comes from. The big reason for this is because the government because pushing the "ways" almost out of necessity. Because, on top of the problems the in-fighting caused, they now had the Portuguese and Danes trying to make a foothold. So they had to find away to quickly get the masses up to speed. So they started trying to reinsert Zen and the old ways of learning. Essentially sort of hodgepodge of Zen and Shinto arose. A new set of mores and precepts arose and Bushido was the byproduct of this.

And this is still basically how it is now. Almost all Japanese identify as Shinto and better than 3/4th identify as Buddhists. But really everyone is both and neither at the same time. And your run-of-the-mill shrine--the ones the kids all go to in the penultimate episode of a slice of life anime--is basically just a modern reflection of this mishmash. It's not an active worshiping religion (even though it has "gods") but more of a passive philosophy.

However, all this change wasn't enough and, even by the Revolutionary War, the West as pretty much asserted itself into the culture. So really the Western idyllic samurai thing only lasted about 80 years or so. Furthermore, by the beginning of the 1800s, the Western influence had caused corruption to run amok in the high echelons of the government, which, in turn, inevitably lead to the Meiji Revolution.

And here's the thing: everything I just wrote reads a lot closer to Klingons than any Andorian I know. Hell, if you included the relaunch and/or STO as canon, then the chronology matches Klingon history pretty closely.
 
No offense, but a lot of this is romanticized western bullshit. For a long time, samurai were some of the most savage and sadistic bastards of modern human history. This goes all the way back to the mid Fujiwara period (10th centuryish), when the warrior clans first started asserting their power over the religious-based government to when the Shogunate finally took control during the Kemmu Restoration (early 14th).

During this time, Japan was in a state of constant civil war, where territory literally changed over night, night after night. They tried to maintain a pretense of some kind honor system based on held-over rules and principles dating back to the infusion of Zen Buddhism in the early 6th century, but nobody adhered to them. If you were a lieutenant, and it was in your best interest to stab your boss in the back, you did so--or better yet, you paid someone to do it (See: Go ninja! Go ninja! Go!)

And while, you're correct that their education and technology level was very high during most of the first millennium, there was a huge regression during this period, outside of a few apprenticed tradesmen and the monks--and of course the ruling class. Most of the country was dump as a post.

This was because Shintoism became the dominate religion of Zen Buddhism, which is basically just Confucian Taoism. And traditional Shinto is indeed very icon/deity based and it does have an afterlife.

Anyways, all this infighting for over two and a half centuries. The reason why the never became conquerors was because they were too busy killing themselves.

Finally, everyone got tired of it and resources became too scares, so they were forced into unification early-mid 17th century and the start of the Tokugawa period. Which is were all the celebrated samurai stuff comes from. The big reason for this is because the government because pushing the "ways" almost out of necessity. Because, on top of the problems the in-fighting caused, they now had the Portuguese and Danes trying to make a foothold. So they had to find away to quickly get the masses up to speed. So they started trying to reinsert Zen and the old ways of learning. Essentially sort of hodgepodge of Zen and Shinto arose. A new set of mores and precepts arose and Bushido was the byproduct of this.

And this is still basically how it is now. Almost all Japanese identify as Shinto and better than 3/4th identify as Buddhists. But really everyone is both and neither at the same time. And your run-of-the-mill shrine--the ones the kids all go to in the penultimate episode of a slice of life anime--is basically just a modern reflection of this mishmash. It's not an active worshiping religion (even though it has "gods") but more of a passive philosophy.

However, all this change wasn't enough and, even by the Revolutionary War, the West as pretty much asserted itself into the culture. So really the Western idyllic samurai thing only lasted about 80 years or so. Furthermore, by the beginning of the 1800s, the Western influence had caused corruption to run amok in the high echelons of the government, which, in turn, inevitably lead to the Meiji Revolution.

And here's the thing: everything I just wrote reads a lot closer to Klingons than any Andorian I know. Hell, if you included the relaunch and/or STO as canon, then the chronology matches Klingon history pretty closely.
For me the Klingons are analogous to the Vikings their religion and their way of life is very viking.
 
I love this comic

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"Every Andorian should feel honored to behave the uniform of the fleet since the Andorians helped to found the federation"

Sacrifice your own life for the andor and the federation not for personal ambition!That reminds me of the samurai

That too show it !! While the most members of the ship were drinking at the bar, the Andorian is working !! It's so cool even has a conversation with deanna troi

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I've had to edit several of your posts over the last few days because they contained hotlinked images. Since you're new I've asked you not to do that anymore. Yet here you are again, making two posts with hotlinked images from webspace you don't own (at least from what I can assume. If you're the person who runs comicvine and amazon...).

This is your last warning. Comments to PM.
 
None of that necessarily factors in to any movie or TV series going forward. None of it is officially part of the filmed Trek franchise.
 
HEh heh, I first saw him in Peter Pan, where (as per tradition) he played both Mr. Darling and Captain Hook. Keep in mind that my initial memory of Patrick Stewart was as Sejanus in I, Claudius and as Halleck in Dune. I think he's a fine actor and that he's so well known as part of such a major franchise is all for the good.
 
Someone on Twitter asked him if he could say if he would be a human or alien, and his response was, "Yes I could."

What I love is that whatever he does, he becomes a supporter and fan of it.
 
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