If I had to use someone on VOY as a life raft I would definitely choose Chakotay.
Janeway's plan to get through Romulan and Klingon Space.
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Indeed, being crafted from wood gives him a natural buoyancy.
I think it would be interesting to compose a metric of all the character's contributions to Voyager's well-being and their general usefulness, weighed against their various errors and drawbacks. For instance, did Seven's role in crafting the Astrometrics Lab offset her conspiracy mongering, her constant breakdowns, being a diplomatic millstone, etc.?
Tom would probably be at the top of such a list. I figure that Chakotay has got to be at the bottom, if only for his shuttle misadventures.
(LOLOL at the av, BTW).
Why would she have to go through either? Voyager can go around them. And before anybody here goes on adding more time, remember, they'd be back in known space now and there are long-range exploration ships as well as distant Starbases. They can reach the nearest one, settle for a bit and Starfleet can send out an escort to work around the space or work out negotiations to go threw them.
Also, even if the slipsteam is unstable, they could have used it just long enough to plow threw either's borders.
Also, even if the slipsteam is unstable, they could have used it just long enough to plow threw either's borders.
In Swarm, it was going to take them a day to go through Swarm Space which was forbidden, or 15 months to go around it. In only 10 hours Janeway managed to alert the Swarmie national guard that they were creeping through without permission, and by the end, she had to blow up hundreds of pursuit ships staffed with thousands of crew, who were less important than her crew so deserved to die becuase they refused to acknowledge her point of view.
"Around" is almost always longer, often considerably longer than "through".
Is there any particular canonical reason to suppose that traveling from the Delta Quadrant to Earth would necessitate going through Klingon or Romulan or any particularly known-to-be-organized and unfriendly space?
No one's addresed the most compelling part of your musings yet. The obvious answer: None of the above. His wooing abilities are equally inept with any and all races.
Was Klingon space really 15,000 LY across? I got the impression you could get across Federation territory in less than a week at high warp, if that.
Canon means that it was on TV or in a movie.
So, no.
There's map made for an online RPG, and there are plenty of fan made maps. Oh, there are canonical maps of the Milky way that don't really label where places are.
Google is your friend.
The thing I have noticed about the map made by Okuda (The tech guy that Berman ignored a lot.) is that the line between the Alpha Quadrant an the Beta Quadrant slices straight through Earth.
Greenwich or Sanfransico maybe?
But if there is a fixed point on Earth that is a dotted line between Alpha and Beta, that means that the "border/grid" jiggles a little as Earth goes around it's sun, but my real question is: Why isn't Vulcan the focal point of reference for Federation Mapping since the humans inherited their star charts off the Vulcans?
The maps were all changed after Earth was made the seat of Federation power?
Just a guess based on the assumption that Klingon has been a space faring culture for almost a thousand years and it doesn't wait to be invited before seizing new territory.
The Valiant was supposed to take a year to circumnavigate Federation Space.
Cestus Three which the Gorn took from the Federation once, and apparently eventually gave back, was 12 weeks away from DS9, and DS9 was less than a day away from Earth.
Lets assume that most civilian/commercial ships can't go much faster than warp 4, which is why Cestus 3 seemed so far away without access to a Federation Star Ship that can exceed warp 9.
Maybe her plan was to go around it. Like, in three dimensions. Z axis and all.
I doubt Klingon space is 15000 ly across. It's true they certainly wouldn't ask for an invitation to expand, but that size of Empire is just not sustainable from a centralized Empire. If somebody rebelled it'd take 7 years to send a fleet, why would they even bother? In the Trek universe how many inhabited planets do you think there are in a 225 million square light year radius, how many years it would take to even conquer that many planets and mobilize enough troops to hold every single one of them?
I doubt Klingon space is 15000 ly across. It's true they certainly wouldn't ask for an invitation to expand, but that size of Empire is just not sustainable from a centralized Empire. If somebody rebelled it'd take 7 years to send a fleet, why would they even bother? In the Trek universe how many inhabited planets do you think there are in a 225 million square light year radius, how many years it would take to even conquer that many planets and mobilize enough troops to hold every single one of them?
Ships get faster, space seems smaller.
Since all you'd need for that is the holodeck I'm wondering if this was something offered in trade negotiations. Seems like a huge win for Voyager if they could just lease out their holodecks for a couple days in return for supplies.
Considering the rules against sharing technology, which could even go so far as to admitting that some technology exists, why even tell their clients that they are ####ing Holowhores?
Besides if you program a hologram to pretend to die now and then while giving it up to an alien that thinks he or she is shtupping a real live person, that is going to create some interesting leverage for Janeway.
"Your massive cock was too big for poor Bethany and now she's dead. You should have warned us, but then it was perhaps our fault too for not weighing you shlong before letting the wee girl part her legs... You now owe us double the supplies we had agreed apon or we will contact the local authorities and have your generous member registered as a lethal weapon before you are thowen into a stockade for the next twenty years."
Besides if you program a hologram to pretend to die now and then while giving it up to an alien that thinks he or she is shtupping a real live person, that is going to create some interesting leverage for Janeway.
"Your massive cock was too big for poor Bethany and now she's dead. You should have warned us, but then it was perhaps our fault too for not weighing you shlong before letting the wee girl part her legs... You now owe us double the supplies we had agreed apon or we will contact the local authorities and have your generous member registered as a lethal weapon before you are thowen into a stockade for the next twenty years."
Can we at least install a bit of reddish mood-lighting in the windows?
I'll go better than that, the place will be gaudi-fied by Neelix. As in gaudy, not Gaudi.
LAVA LAMPS AHOY!
"Neelix. I have something very important I need you to do. The holo-brothel needs.. well it needs something besides the single meditation candle provided by Commander Tuvok when I gave him the assignment."
LAVA LAMPS AHOY!
"Neelix. I have something very important I need you to do. The holo-brothel needs.. well it needs something besides the single meditation candle provided by Commander Tuvok when I gave him the assignment."
You'd think that Warp Fields that denote home of origin, could as easily say "GIRLS! GIRLS! GIRLS!"
You know the Ferengi already have holo-brothel ships right?
Aaaaalright, that's what I'm talking about!
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