By not buying the books now, though, you get to complain in ten years time, when Janeway has retirn triumphantly from the Q Continuum, that Pocket has let all the old VOY Relaunch books fall out of print and you have to scramble on eBay to buy them.
Janeway Died? In Which Book?
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By not buying the books now, though, you get to complain in ten years time, when Janeway has retirn triumphantly from the Q Continuum, that Pocket has let all the old VOY Relaunch books fall out of print and you have to scramble on eBay to buy them.
I doubt that very much, I mean they've got f***ing Morpheus in the cast now!
CSI is one of the series which I might skip.
Let's face it, CSI without Grissom will be like TOS without Kirk or Spock.
It will only become a remnant of its former glory.
Okay ... perpetual notion.
Either way it's suffering through infinity -- only one's subjective and one's objective.
--Ted
I will now buy one of your books off of Amazon just for that. Tell me which one.
^ I honestly did laugh out loud when I read that. 
(Hey, it's your money. You decide.)
(Hey, it's your money. You decide.)
Well, if it hadn't been for the recent "Janeway incident", I might have reevalued my decision not to read any TNG books. I mean, Data can be brought back if they decide to put his memory into that other identical android.
But now................
Wait, wait, wait. Hang on.
The possibility that someday it'd be possible for Data to return - even though you know that he hasn't in any of the TNG-R books so far - was close to being enough for you to read them?
Well, hell, Janeway's last scene was Lady Q taking her off to dimensions unknown - there's absolutely a possibility that she'll be back someday! For that matter, in a universe of so many alternate dimensions and time travel, there's a possibility for ANY character to come back someday!
Yes, it won't happen in any immediately foreseeable Voyager relaunch books... but you know for a FACT that it hasn't happened in any current TNG-R books and were still considering reading those. But the fact that a similar situation was occurring in the VOY-R books was so bad that you wouldn't even be willing to read any other series that might someday mention them?
Holy crap, this doesn't make any sense to me at all.
It doesn't?
OK, I'll explain it to you.
First of all, I did state that I might have considered a reevaluation of my previous decision, not that I was going to do that.
The reason for such a re-evaluation would simply be because I do love Star Trek, it's characters and the whole premise for the show and for some bizarre reason I seem to be ready to give it another chance when the opportunity shows up.
Remember that I stopped watching Voyager after "The Gift" when Kes was dumped and didn't watch a single episode for two years until I decided to give it another chance. The reward for that was "Fury" and then I definitely did stop watching it. Sort of "insult me once, shame on you, insult me twice, shame on me".
When it comes to the TNG books and the new villains, it could make me wanna think like: "Oh, it's good, old TNG after all, the new villains are actually good and there is still a chance for Data to come back. Now why don't you give it a try? For the sake of Star Trek."
But I guess that there is a limit for my patience, which the tragic incident with "Fury" showed, sort of "this is enough" and that what's happened when I started to read this thread.
Because what I can see from many comments here, Janeway is definitely "out". Dead, deceased, passed away, gone, dumped, deleted or whatsoever so it will not be possible to imagine that she's still around and that she will be back in future books either.
That's when I started to think "this is enough, another favorite wasted, I'm not gonna take anymore of this".
It's all about dissapointment. Despite not being that impressed by the Voyager relaunch books, I still had hope for the relaunch. I thought that some of the worst stupidities from the series would be corrected in some way and that there would be some interesting things to find in them. Now the same scenario appears again just like it was in the series, with character destruction and dissapointments which will, to state it clearly, ruin the fun for me.
Once again I must state that I still love Star Trek, it's characters and the whole premise for the whole thing, it's the current politics from those in charge I disagree with.
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I choose to live in the past because I simply can't stand the present and haven't much hope for the future when it comes to the "official" part of Star Trek. I guess I've got my fingers burned too many times now.
I doubt that very much, I mean they've got f***ing Morpheus in the cast now!
CSI is one of the series which I might skip.
Let's face it, CSI without Grissom will be like TOS without Kirk or Spock.
It will only become a remnant of its former glory.
But will it be as good as it was? I mean, it might be as when Black Sabbath brought in former Deep Purple singer Ian Gillan. It looked good on the paper but...........
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Star Trek.
A thriving cast of at least 40 series regulars, upwards of a hundred fifty or so (at a guess) if you include the famous recurring ones from the shows, perhaps three times that if you add all the new characters in the books. A conservative estimate - 400 main characters.
Endless possibilities for new villains, new settings, new questions, new examinations of the human spirit, new stories to tell, new characters to adore, new societies to explore.
Now encompassing over 700 episodes, something along the lines of 400 novels, I have no idea how many comics, games, etc.
Even if we're just talking about the novels now, there are 8 ongoing series for sure, and a couple more might return.
One character dies in a crappy movie. There is an easily plausible storyline that could bring him back; the editors have proclaimed they will not use it, as they prefer to make his death as meaningful as possible. Lynx is already on the fence.
The exact same thing happens again. Literally the exact same situation, except in a book instead of a movie. And Lynx is out.
Never mind that the examination of reactions to the death of a loved one is an important, vital, and inevitable aspect of any person's life; one well worth exploring in a universe this comprehensive. Never mind that it strains credibility for all these people to be alive this long when whole fleets are wiped out several times. Never mind that Lynx hasn't read any of the books in which these events occur. Never mind all the other series that don't have anything to do with either event; by my count, at least 6.
No, Lynx is out.
Look, everyone is entitled to their opinion; and you are to yours, no matter how batshit insane it may be. But may I respectfully submit, if the removal of two characters is enough to make you give up on the whole enterprise - all 6 other series, all 398-odd other characters, all the manifestations of the premise and characters you "still love" - perhaps it was time for a break either way?
A thriving cast of at least 40 series regulars, upwards of a hundred fifty or so (at a guess) if you include the famous recurring ones from the shows, perhaps three times that if you add all the new characters in the books. A conservative estimate - 400 main characters.
Endless possibilities for new villains, new settings, new questions, new examinations of the human spirit, new stories to tell, new characters to adore, new societies to explore.
Now encompassing over 700 episodes, something along the lines of 400 novels, I have no idea how many comics, games, etc.
Even if we're just talking about the novels now, there are 8 ongoing series for sure, and a couple more might return.
One character dies in a crappy movie. There is an easily plausible storyline that could bring him back; the editors have proclaimed they will not use it, as they prefer to make his death as meaningful as possible. Lynx is already on the fence.
The exact same thing happens again. Literally the exact same situation, except in a book instead of a movie. And Lynx is out.
Never mind that the examination of reactions to the death of a loved one is an important, vital, and inevitable aspect of any person's life; one well worth exploring in a universe this comprehensive. Never mind that it strains credibility for all these people to be alive this long when whole fleets are wiped out several times. Never mind that Lynx hasn't read any of the books in which these events occur. Never mind all the other series that don't have anything to do with either event; by my count, at least 6.
No, Lynx is out.
Look, everyone is entitled to their opinion; and you are to yours, no matter how batshit insane it may be. But may I respectfully submit, if the removal of two characters is enough to make you give up on the whole enterprise - all 6 other series, all 398-odd other characters, all the manifestations of the premise and characters you "still love" - perhaps it was time for a break either way?
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I totally agree about that.
You're right here too.
Don't forget the fan fiction!
Let me see: TOS,TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, New Frontier, Titan....have I missed one?
Here we are getting to the point. One character dies in a crappy movie. There is a chance to correct that and those in charge refuse. They let the crappy movie dictate the future of TNG. Not to mention the fact that I really miss Data (and so do many TNG fans).
Please read my statements in the other post about "enough is enough". Besides that, it was also the main character of Voyager, not some ordinary crewman.
I don't agree totally on your opinion about death as a vital part and so on. As for credibility,there's always situations in fiction where the main characters survive against the most difficult odds. And as for series who doesn't have anything to do with each other, TNG, DS9, VOY, New Frontier and Titan takes place in approximately the same timeline (which happens to be my favorite timeline of Star Trek as well).
You did forget Kes, another example of unnecessary character destruction. Not to mention that it happened in a very crappy episode.
And I definitely don't want any definite break with Star Trek. For me, there will still be the TV series, the older books, fanfiction and some games as well. It's just the "official" Star Trek and the current policy which I don't want any part of.
I'm pretty sure it will be, I mean they do still have Katherine, Nick, Gregg, Brass, Hodges, the Lab Rats, Dr. Robbins, and his assistant. Not to mentio the fact that it is still all the same writers, and producers in charge. Ok, sorry about that, guess we should get back to Star Trek now.I doubt that very much, I mean they've got f***ing Morpheus in the cast now!CSI is one of the series which I might skip.
Let's face it, CSI without Grissom will be like TOS without Kirk or Spock.
It will only become a remnant of its former glory.
But will it be as good as it was? I mean, it might be as when Black Sabbath brought in former Deep Purple singer Ian Gillan. It looked good on the paper but...........
You must not forget CoE/SCE!!! It is extremely
awesome!!!
and Vangaurd and Klingon Empire/IKS Gorkon.
You must not forget CoE/SCE!!! It is extremely
awesome!!!
and Vangaurd and Klingon Empire/IKS Gorkon.
Sorry, I missed those. I'm not totally unfamiliar with them, I've read about them and what they are about but I obviously did forget about them while we were debating this Janeway issue.
No you're not. Lots of excellent characters died in there - when the writers simply could have promoted them or transferred them.
They are unpredictable.
No you're not. Lots of excellent characters died in there - when the writers simply could have promoted them or transferred them.
They are unpredictable.
Hmmm.....I think that you missunderstood me. I was sorry for not remembering those series when we were discussing which book series which were going on right now.
By not buying the books now, though, you get to complain in ten years time, when Janeway has retirn triumphantly from the Q Continuum, that Pocket has let all the old VOY Relaunch books fall out of print and you have to scramble on eBay to buy them.
I guess I have to live with that. My biggest problem right now is to find some TNG and DS9 books which are out of print (not to mention the horror if and when my beloved seasons 1-3 Voyager books will start to be torn and aged because of repeated reading). It's a shame that the old Star Trek books aren't available. They should be re-released, just like all good classics.
By the way, I get the impression from the discussion here and the comments from some authors participating here that Janeway will not return whatsoever, that her death is made as some "creative move". Am I correct?
If I'm wrong here and certain errors are corrected, then I have to re-evalue my decision not to buy any future Star Trek novels. I do have a soft spot for Star Trek after all.
Nonsense! The main character of Voyager was Tuvok. But, fortunately, he's in Titan now.
Which DS9 books are you missing? Have you considered ebooks?
Certainly don't give up on DS9PF, as VOY and it don't mingle... yet
So if the TV VOY series ended in 2378 right? And in the DS9PF is in January 2377 correct? So I doubt we'll see VOY affecting DS9 at all for a few years (edit- in the books... as in how long it takes for the books to come out), and even then, if so, Janeway will be there.
I also highly highly highly recommend SCE- and if you're looking for a new ST direction, isnt' there... 74 of them? So you'll get your ST Lit fill while you figure out what you want to do.
Certainly don't give up on DS9PF, as VOY and it don't mingle... yet
So if the TV VOY series ended in 2378 right? And in the DS9PF is in January 2377 correct? So I doubt we'll see VOY affecting DS9 at all for a few years (edit- in the books... as in how long it takes for the books to come out), and even then, if so, Janeway will be there.
I also highly highly highly recommend SCE- and if you're looking for a new ST direction, isnt' there... 74 of them? So you'll get your ST Lit fill while you figure out what you want to do.
The seven Signature Edition omnibuses, and "The Bloodwing Voyages" omnibus, were ways to re-release quite a few old classics - and a batch of four MMPBs with new cover art came out for the 40th anniversary.
There doesn't seem to be much demand for hardcopy reissues of early VOY novels, but I think you'll find they're all available as eBooks.
You're only just getting that?
At this point, not even the writers and editors know what will happen to Janeway herself, but why care now? You, yourself, said that you skipped following Janeway's onscreen adventures from "The Gift" to "Fury", and from "Fury" to "Endgame".
And there's nothing to stop anyone doing scenes in a book with Janeway living in the Q Continuum, since that's where "Before Dishonor" indicated she's gone. There's nothing to stop authors writing VOY seven-year TV era novels, and if IDW buys a VOY license she can appear live and well in the comics, in complete ignorance of the events of "Before Dishonor" and "Full Circle". If Paramount makes a new 24th century movie, she can even appear there, and at least CBS Consumer Products made sure that Pocket can restore her as canon requires should that happen.
If I'm wrong here and certain errors are corrected, then I have to re-evalue my decision not to buy any future Star Trek novels. I do have a soft spot for Star Trek after all.
The point is, we don't know, probably not even Pocket at this stage. And that's the point. It's a way for literature to attempt to emulate real life: to be unpredictable, not always so safe and cosy with happy endings.
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