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It's official: Jackson to direct the Hobbit

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The Hobbit looks set to move to Europe...

http://www.odt.co.nz/entertainment/film/129206/actors-disagree-over-hobbit

Sir Peter Jackson has hit out at criticism that his films pay actors low wages as an escalating dispute with the unions over The Hobbit movies threatens to jeopardise production in New Zealand.

Sir Peter, executive producer of The Hobbit, said today that a New Zealand actor in a small supporting role could expect to earn about $NZ5000 a week, higher than the Screen Actors' Guild of America's published rates of $NZ3800 per week.



"Over the last 10 years, the fees New Zealand actors have earned on WingNut Films (owned by Sir Peter) productions have been consistently fair and generous," he said in a statement.



The union, NZ Actors Equity, has said makers of the J R R Tolkien adaptation, which is being made in two parts, had refused to enter into a union-negotiated agreement and advised members not to accept work on the project because actors may be employed on inferior non-union contracts.
Sir Peter has accused the union of a power grab and warned that production of the two films could be moved from New Zealand to Eastern Europe.



"Warner Brothers gave us an opportunity to set the film up in New Zealand and we have been unable to do that successfully.



"The situation is bordering on farce... It would be laughable, if there weren't so much at stake. But there is nothing funny about people losing their jobs and the crippling effect that losing The Hobbit is going to have on our film industry," he said.

This is very sad. They really need to sort their shit out and get on with it, otherwise we're gonna lose out in a big way.
 
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Crap like this is to be expected considering how big LOTR was. Now that it is one of the most valuable film franchises of all time, everyone is going to want a bigger cut.
 
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Jackson barred from union Hobbit meeting

Sir Peter Jackson offered to go to an actors’ union meeting last night called over the Hobbit dispute, but was turned down.

Spada had attempted to meet with the MEAA to discuss actors’ terms and conditions for over 18 months, without success, he said.

The Hobbit’s producers – including Sir Peter – contacted the MEAA and NZ Actors Equity yesterday morning with an offer to attend the Wellington meeting in the hope of finding a solution to the dispute.

After sending several requests asking for a response, the producers were finally told “no” shortly before the meeting started.

http://www.theonering.net/torwp/201...-nz-jackson-barred-from-union-hobbit-meeting/
 
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as far as i'm concerned, this movie has had bad joojoo associated with it ever since they decided to money-grab it into 2 parts. I also noticed PJ's response seems to do a little sidestepping of the actual point and instead becomes a bullet points about all the other things the opposing union is doing wrong/badly/etc. I've been a little distrustful of him ever since the way he really misrepresented the New Line lawsuit. It turned out to be about any made profits at all, but imaginary profits had New Line made a different DVD rights deal than the one they made! Not invalid, but certainly not the impression you get when you read his public statement.
 
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Fuck, fuck, fuck. Stop this bullshit! I just want a Peter Jackson adaptation of The Hobbit set in New Zealand, starring Ian McKellan, Andy Serkis, Hugo Weaving and Ian Holm as the narrator (with a younger actor). Is that really too much to ask for? :(
 
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Fuck, fuck, fuck. Stop this bullshit! I just want a Peter Jackson adaptation of The Hobbit set in New Zealand, starring Ian McKellan, Andy Serkis, Hugo Weaving and Ian Holm as the narrator (with a younger actor). Is that really too much to ask for? :(

Apparently, yes.
 
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I don't really care where they film it....so long as they make it :lol:
 
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Fuck, fuck, fuck. Stop this bullshit! I just want a Peter Jackson adaptation of The Hobbit set in New Zealand, starring Ian McKellan, Andy Serkis, Hugo Weaving and Ian Holm as the narrator (with a younger actor). Is that really too much to ask for? :(

Why would they need a younger actor? First, Bilbo is not a young hobbit, as we saw from the flashback where Ian Holm portrayed him finding the ring. Second, Ian Holm is not so old that a little makeup can make him look younger. And third, he already played Bilbo at that age in the flashback(see point one).
 
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Sounds like it's going into that special film limbo that nothing ever comes out of again. I'm not heartbroken. It was a terrible idea to make it into two films.
 
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Seems to be the done thing at the moment. I guess they can't win on that front when adapting books. If they cut it to one film, the book purists hate the abridgement; if they do it in multiple films, a whole new set of people say its too long and plodding.
 
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Well considering he managed to cut big chunks out of LoTR and at the same time make it too long and plodding, forgive me for hoping it gets set back to one film.
 
Re: The Hobbit looks set to move to Europe...

Fuck, fuck, fuck. Stop this bullshit! I just want a Peter Jackson adaptation of The Hobbit set in New Zealand, starring Ian McKellan, Andy Serkis, Hugo Weaving and Ian Holm as the narrator (with a younger actor). Is that really too much to ask for? :(

Why would they need a younger actor? First, Bilbo is not a young hobbit, as we saw from the flashback where Ian Holm portrayed him finding the ring. Second, Ian Holm is not so old that a little makeup can make him look younger. And third, he already played Bilbo at that age in the flashback(see point one).

He had to have his face pinned back for that scene, which he said was extremely painful.
 
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Plus he's too old to be able to cope with the physical demands of the role, to say nothing of the shooting schedule. They can still use him in a framing device as old Bilbo writing his book like they did at the start of Fellowship but there's no way Holm would be able to do the film proper.

As for splitting it into two parts, I think that was at least partly out of a financial concern. These films are expensive and part of what made the original LotR films possible was the ability to shoot them in one block rather than coming back after a two year gap is a lot more practical. The other part of that is the story; The Hobbit may be much, much shorter than LotR but it's still a substantial narrative once you translate it into film. The dilemma is that while there's a bit too much for one film, there's not quite enough for two, hence the idea to somehow incorporate the white council thread in some way.

The alternative is a much more cut down adaptation with massive swaths cut out for pacing.
 
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As I said in another thread. I think it should be moved to British Columbia. Scenery that cant be beat. Im biased from being there though. Wonder if it was ever considered?
 
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Scenery isn't the only consideration as, after all the background can be changed in post. I imagine the main consideration is cost, which related to everything from accessibility to the availability of facilities adequate to house the cast and crew. Then there's the fees to the local authorities and of course taxation. It's precisely because of that that a lot of productions have abandoned Australia, which only ten years ago was the place to film big budget films. In the 80's it was over here and now it's shifting to Eastern Europe.
 
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he Hobbit may be much, much shorter than LotR but it's still a substantial narrative once you translate it into film. The dilemma is that while there's a bit too much for one film, there's not quite enough for two, hence the idea to somehow incorporate the white council thread in some way.

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It's the idea of seeing this type of background material that makes me okay with splitting it in two. Even without reading the appendices of TLOTR, you have to wonder what Gandalf is off doing while Bilbo and the dwarves are mucking about.
 
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