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It's gonna be Khan (pretty damn sure now with the pics)

There's an outside chance that he really is Khan after all, and they're dodging the political correctness issue by rewriting the character so that in this timeline, Khan is some white guy who happens to have the name Khan as a title (perhaps in homage to the original Khan, never awakened from his exile on the Botany Bay).

Stretching, I know. But stretching is good for the joints. ;)


I don't think it's too much of a stretch.

Like I said in an earlier post, Cumberbatch could be playing a guy of British descent who grows up in India (a lot of British citizens live in india today because of India and England's Colonial past). Cumberbatch could be a brit who identifies himself enough with the Indian culture that he even takes an Indian pseudonym.
 
^ There's a lot of people of Indian origin who grow up in England but I'm not sure that the reverse is true. Anyway, we're talking about 350 years in the future, so making comparisons with today don't get us very far.
 
Having a white Khan with a British accent is like having a black Sulu with a Bronx dialect. That would be stretching but it would work, wouldn't it?
 
^ There's a lot of people of Indian origin who grow up in England but I'm not sure that the reverse is true. Anyway, we're talking about 350 years in the future, so making comparisons with today don't get us very far.
Khan's not from 350 years in the future, though. :ouch:
 
It's a bad ass alternate version of Samuel T. Cogley.

In the Abramsverse version of "Court Martial," Kirk also wins his defense hearing, but in this timeline sues Starfleet for defamation of character. Cogley has been working for years on a settlement, and Kirk is paid a hefty sum. But Kirk stiffs Cogley and high tails it to the next star system.

Cogley is ticked and wants his percentage.... NOW!!! Never separate a lawyer from his money.


Yancy
 
Having a white Khan with a British accent is like having a black Sulu with a Bronx dialect. That would be stretching but it would work, wouldn't it?

As opposed to a Latino Khan with a somewhat Spanish accent? :p

I guess it would be as believable as Jean Luc Picard's accent.
 
So, what are we gonna call this guy until we find out what his character is?

"Villain" just isn't working in the caption contest.
 
Having a white Khan with a British accent is like having a black Sulu with a Bronx dialect. That would be stretching but it would work, wouldn't it?

As opposed to a Latino Khan with a somewhat Spanish accent? :p

I guess it would be as believable as Jean Luc Picard's accent.

The difference is, the modern PC factor. In the 60s, that wasn't an issue and anyway, who the phlox could tell the difference between a Mexican and an Indian? You could not not not get away with that nowadays, not for a Scalosian minute. :rommie:

Cumberbatch could be a brit who identifies himself enough with the Indian culture that he even takes an Indian pseudonym.
That's too much grounded in modern assumptions and national identities. Trek don't do that stuff. Also, it would require too much explanation, starting with the fact that India used to be a British colony. You really don't want to assume the audience already knows that, and in a two hour summer popcorn flick, it's too much clunky dialogue when the audience is getting antsy for the characters to shut up and shoot someone already.

But Cumberbatch playing some random resident of Earth with white skin, who is a follower of the long-ago infamous augment, Khan Noonian Singh, and taking the name Khan like it's equivalent to Caeser, could avoid all the problems. In that case, the lack of explanation works in their favor. How many people in the audience would know that Khan is an Indian name at all? They might assume it's just a made-up name like Spock. As long as the story isn't claiming the guy is Indian, the PC factor won't kick in. They don't really need to say where on Earth the guy is from at all.

The less explanation and backstory, the better. Whittle it down to some simple statement - "Romulan miner, pissed because Spock let his planet blow up, wants revenge" or "Follower of crazy superpowered guy from future Earth history thinks he's better than everyone else, wants to take over" - that's all they really have the bandwidth for.
 
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Maybe it is Garth. Perhaps the historic Battle of Axanar(circa 2250) happened in both timelines and Garth slowly went bad and mad in both as well. Who knows.

I have often wondered if that might have been the "thing" that most of Star Fleet was preoccupied with when Nero began his attack on Vulcan. The timing would seem about right (Kirk mentioned being a very young Lieutenant who was part of the peace mission afterwards).

Forget the name of the system - wasn't Axanar, but maybe Axanar was the name of one world in that system or of a nearby system. Pure speculation at this stage, anyhow
 
I can't believe we are still in the dark about the true 100% identity of this Trek's villian! When will JJ release some info like a brief story synopsis that names the threat?
 
Or maybe they'll just call him "Khan" and not mention the "Noonien Singh" part.

Well, even Khan is recognizably tied to a certain culture, just like Singh is. But we don't have to tell the audience that. ;)

...however, if they're going to change the story that completely, they might as well not use the character. The value of Khan is that he's well known, and evokes a certain iconic physical type and swashbuckling presence. There's no advantage to just using part of an iconic character, and not even the most recognizable part.

I'm starting to wonder about the Section 31 theory.
 
Maybe it is Garth. Perhaps the historic Battle of Axanar(circa 2250) happened in both timelines and Garth slowly went bad and mad in both as well. Who knows.

I have often wondered if that might have been the "thing" that most of Star Fleet was preoccupied with when Nero began his attack on Vulcan. The timing would seem about right (Kirk mentioned being a very young Lieutenant who was part of the peace mission afterwards).

Forget the name of the system - wasn't Axanar, but maybe Axanar was the name of one world in that system or of a nearby system. Pure speculation at this stage, anyhow

I think the system mentioned in the last TREK movie was the "Lantarus Sector" or something along those lines. Not Axanar, but that was a good theory anyways. If it had been the Axanar Sector instead it would have been a terrific tie-in to TOS backstory.
 
Having a white Khan with a British accent is like having a black Sulu with a Bronx dialect. That would be stretching but it would work, wouldn't it?

As opposed to a Latino Khan with a somewhat Spanish accent? :p

I guess it would be as believable as Jean Luc Picard's accent.
Exactly. So what if the rebooted timeline reimagines him as hairy, tall dude with a French accent? That would work, wouldn't it?
 
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