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I never liked 11:59. It didn't feel like Star Trek in any way to me.
I hated it the first time I saw it. I hated it a little less the second time, and a little less the third time. I settled on 6/10, but I still think it's pretty boring. It's not that it was poorly written or anything, but like Shran said, it just doesn't feel like Trek. It's more like an episode of some hour long drama that typically I would never dream of watching.
I do like Kevin Tighe, and although he was good in the role of Henry, his guest appearance was fairly wasted on that episode.
I do like Kevin Tighe, and although he was good in the role of Henry, his guest appearance was fairly wasted on that episode.
I don't think I have seen this episode all the way through, but I always meant to. It looked like a real change of pace for the show something they didn't do often enough, but often worked when they did it.
... and I want to stay alive!
I can't stand how ass backwards Seven's rationale is in the end.
Gods. I'm describing Münchhausen's by Proxy for the ego.
I still think the entire thing might have been an implanted memory since Kathryn said she didn't know what her family was up to in the latter half of the 20th century during Futures End.
Bah humbug.
I suppose a completely unreal Captain Proton Inspired Tom to do all sorts of things but at least he knew the difference between reality and make believe.
However, at the end of the day, I did like the episode and how it broke with th regular convention allowing the actors a chance to explore, even if the underlying moral was so backward and twisted that it could have been one of Rocky and Bullwinkles fractured fairytales.
the story was supposed to be about the woman who inspired Kathy (Amelia?) to be all that she could be, which quickly transformed into the immaterialness of a whichhunt that defrocked the tallstortellings of of some bygone liar whose bald faced fiction gathered momentum and steam over the centuries until anyone could have been the hero of any story that a Janeway could have been at Trafalgar or invented peanut butter and it was those lies which could have kept her family pride warm at night. Hell it was a Janeway who invented Warp Drive and captained the Enterprise 1701 wrestling with Khan for the safety of the galaxy! really, it's just validation for children with batshit or drunk parents who fill their kids with bollocks because they are ashamed by the lack of their accomplishments in the grand scheme of things.
Gods. I'm describing Münchhausen's by Proxy for the ego.
I still think the entire thing might have been an implanted memory since Kathryn said she didn't know what her family was up to in the latter half of the 20th century during Futures End.
Bah humbug.
I suppose a completely unreal Captain Proton Inspired Tom to do all sorts of things but at least he knew the difference between reality and make believe.
However, at the end of the day, I did like the episode and how it broke with th regular convention allowing the actors a chance to explore, even if the underlying moral was so backward and twisted that it could have been one of Rocky and Bullwinkles fractured fairytales.
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11:59 wasn't about Trek, but it was about our characters and not some alien of the week trying to steal from, sell to, or destroy Voyager. It was a nice "down time" show that mirrored the Doctor's "Living Witness, but in the other direction. The Doc found himself 7 centuries in the future while we watched Janeway try to discover her roots 3 centuries in the past.
I liked it, and I liked hearing about Kate's "Aunt Martha".
The "face palm" moment in this ep, however, was thinking that Voyager has the entire encyclopedia of 20th century data.
I liked it, and I liked hearing about Kate's "Aunt Martha".
The "face palm" moment in this ep, however, was thinking that Voyager has the entire encyclopedia of 20th century data.
Well every bugger and his dog keeps getting timewrecked in the 20th century, so it really seems idiotic not to have a decent database on the era, not that they didn't expand on that when they downloaded the entire (albeit young and small) internet while they were cruising through 1996.
Consider the Tonnage of stories Tuvok underhanded earned his promotion with the selling of for illegal hardware, as Janeway used the Vulcan as a catspaw all the while claiming her own innocence during that tritely Nixonian affair on Sikaris? they must have a HUGE library computer full to the brim of random nonsense.
Consider the Tonnage of stories Tuvok underhanded earned his promotion with the selling of for illegal hardware, as Janeway used the Vulcan as a catspaw all the while claiming her own innocence during that tritely Nixonian affair on Sikaris? they must have a HUGE library computer full to the brim of random nonsense.
Meh, I thought it was alright. That's because I watched Voyager for the first time on DVD. I didn't mind 11:59 because I'd just seen a "real" episode the night before and knew I was going to watch another one the next night. Had I been watching the show as it appeared on regular TV, I would have been highly annoyed at the lack of actual Star Trek involved in 11:59.
I did really enjoy one aspect of it though - I liked the scene with Janeway and some of her senior staff just chillin' together, talking about their family histories. That was nice, seeing them just hanging out as a group of friends.
I did really enjoy one aspect of it though - I liked the scene with Janeway and some of her senior staff just chillin' together, talking about their family histories. That was nice, seeing them just hanging out as a group of friends.
11.59 was a good ep. I like the idea that it was based on janeways early life before she was born and why she wanted to go into space, ect..What i liked the most was when, everyone was having a conversation in janeway's quarters about their family history and the doctors comes in and says something. And then tom goes his ancestor is an electric shaver or toster. Something on them lines anyway 
I agree.
I don't understand this "it isn't Trek" sentiment.
If Trek is about exploring aspects of the human condition, then Janeway's inspiration to explore space due to Shannon IMO plays into that.
I think it was needed for Voyager.
TNG focused a lot on character development and background, but lacks decent and steady action.... Voyager focused more on Action, but lacked good character development and background.... while DS9 seemed to balance it all out.
I think that's also why it took me so long to get into Voyager.... what originally got me into Star Trek was TNG. What TNG did was made you interested and focused in the characters and what they go through more then the fancy glam of the future.... DS9 was similar, although balanced with more action more often..... but to me, the Voyager crew's background and personalities seemed.... more stale.
I didn't mind the episode. It's not my favorite, but I appreciate it for what it was.
TNG focused a lot on character development and background, but lacks decent and steady action.... Voyager focused more on Action, but lacked good character development and background.... while DS9 seemed to balance it all out.
I think that's also why it took me so long to get into Voyager.... what originally got me into Star Trek was TNG. What TNG did was made you interested and focused in the characters and what they go through more then the fancy glam of the future.... DS9 was similar, although balanced with more action more often..... but to me, the Voyager crew's background and personalities seemed.... more stale.
I didn't mind the episode. It's not my favorite, but I appreciate it for what it was.
The stuff about how Janeway was inspired by Shannon was Trek-related and interesting because it related to a Trek character. But there was, IMHO, too much stuff about Shannon herself. I don't give a hoot about her.
The overall idea was OK, just too out of balance for my tastes.
Fair enough.
However, I think Praxius may have a point.
We complain Voyager didn't get enough character development. This ep. is all it's about and we still don't like it.
I saw it as a reverse "Inner Light". it wasn't Picard living another life but rather witnessing another "Janeway" in history.
We complain Voyager didn't get enough character development. This ep. is all it's about and we still don't like it.
Well Shran and I didn't say "it isn't Trek", we said "it doesn't feel like Trek", to us. I totally understand what he means. If other people like it because it's a change of pace for them, then fine. Personally I don't care much for slow moving dramas in general, so the episode isn't a favorite of mine.
You also said that Trek is about exploring the human condition, and certainly that's true to a point. Personally, I like Trek mostly for the exploring the human and alien condition while exploring space part of it, so an episode about an ancient relative of Janeway's back on earth wasn't really my cup of tea. Although as I said, I am able to somewhat appreciate it to an extent, despite the fact that I find it quite boring overall.
I personally liked this episode, i think it was needed aswell, it was a good change of pace, and the episode was well written, it was easly predictable that it would end in Janeway giving up his shop though, they always do, and in 196(Something) they filmed this, they never would have known how far behind in tech they would be....almost every show says that in 2000 things would be awsome....this one was an understatement....
Sure DS9 did. It was called "Far Beyond the Stars".
