Spoilers It seems that Data's backstory might be retconned back to the original version...

[Yistaan]

"what would DSC do here" and then think "PIC will probably do the opposite". It's worked out pretty well so far (not perfectly, mind you.) Take from that what you will.

Those aren't equal comparisons though.

Soji hasn't killed anyone or done anything Control has. Even Pike was doubtful about Control's evil when Burnham's mother confronted him. It was only when it assimilated Leland and doing more evil that it was sent to the future.

Soji has done nothing yet. If she chops up Rios and beams Raffi into space, then Picard may very well be the one sending her to the future himself.

 

[Longinus]

Chabon on the Admonition:

Q: Was there an image of Data in The Admonition or was that how modern brains made sense of it?
A: Excellent question. The latter, for all the images.

 

[ITDUDE]

Chabon on the Admonition:

Q: Was there an image of Data in The Admonition or was that how modern brains made sense of it?
A: Excellent question. The latter, for all the images.

Fine.
/thread

 

[Gonzo]

The whole warning system as designed doesn't make sense. If it makes the first person who uses it go crazy and jump off a cliff, everyone else will avoid it and no one would be warned.

It may not have been meant for organics, or the race that created it (TKon maybe) are so much older and more advanced that it is too dangerous for the younger races to interact with.

As shown by them going cuckoo.

At this point I will be very interested to see what happen if Soji interacts with it.

 

[Racefuel]

Okay so, answer to thread-

No

Pretty solid outcome

 

[Noname Given]

If they're rewriting Data's backstory (I haven't seen the episode yet), then it should be the event that proves to folks than "canon" doesn't matter one bit to TPTB. It is simply a buzzword designed to sell the product.

If so...it STARTED with GR himself and TOS. Again, Star Trek has NEVER let existing canon get in the way of the story they want to tell at the time. This is NOTHING NEW for any Star Trek series, past or present.

 

[Roboturner913]

All they have to do is say Soong was a hack that reverse-engineered somebody else's work and took credit for it. NBD

 

[Lord Garth]

I'm going to see what's actually in the episode, before I jump to conclusions. Radical of a concept as that is.

No use in expending energy over something that might or might not be the case. And if it turns out that Soong was a hack, then it would be fitting with someone whose nickname was "Often Wrong".

And I don't like the idea of him getting the credit for inventing androids anyway. Ruk and Norman would like to have words with Dr. Soong. So might Dr. Korby, in a sense.

 

[Turtletrekker]

And I don't like the idea of him getting the credit for inventing androids anyway. Ruk and Norman would like to have words with Dr. Soong. So might Dr. Korby, in a sense.

Ruk, definitely. However, I'm not so sure if the androids seen in I, Mudd are sentient on the level of Data and his kin. Their program was awfully easy to upset with contradictory information and the repeated phrase, "I am not programmed to respond in that area", suggests a decided lack of free will. The androids we saw Mudd working with in The Escape Artist certainly weren't sentient.

 

[Timo]

I'm going to see what's actually in the episode, before I jump to conclusions. Radical of a concept as that is. No use in expending energy over something that might or might not be the case.

You're undermining the very roots of this society with sedition like that! Why, this very thread might have been but half a page long if we acquiesced with such damaging policies! What are we supposed to do, quarantined away out of fear of the big flu? Only post on Fridays when there's actually something reasonable to be said?

And I don't like the idea of him getting the credit for inventing androids anyway. Ruk and Norman would like to have words with Dr. Soong. So might Dr. Korby, in a sense.

Nobody ever did give credit to Soong for inventing androids, though. What he credited himself with was inventing "positronic brains", whatever those are. And whatever he did install in Data and his ilk, it gets defined as "positronic" after the fact, be it invented or stolen, novel or recycled, advanced or derivative, significant or insignificant.

What Soong did was dismissed for decades, and only ever gained appreciation of any sort because one of his creations did good careerwise. Its all the more curious, then, that his work would be relevant to something folks do consider significant, that is, this Advanced Synth business here.

Synths are politics: their time may come and go, and it briefly came with the need for labor to build the evacuation fleet, and went with the Mars attack. Those synths weren't said to be technology, though: it didn't call for the skills of Maddox to whip up this army of workers. Maddox was doing his advanced magic elsewhere, aiming at something else. And he was one of Soong's self-appointed disciples, so the specific approach he took was politics more than technology again. Zimmerman would have done it with holograms.

So... Where does the connection with the Android World really come from? Did it originate with Soong? It must have come with Maddox at the very latest, because we supposedly see him working there. But that's only "latest", nothing more.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Lord Garth]

You're undermining the very roots of this society with sedition like that! Why, this very thread might have been but half a page long if we acquiesced with such damaging policies! What are we supposed to do, quarantined away out of fear of the big flu? Only post on Fridays when there's actually something reasonable to be said?

Good point.

 

[donners22]

And it is a rewrite, because you're changing the intent of the original creators of the character. At some point, the creators of the character decided that he was human designed and constructed, dropping the alien origin angle. So now the new writers (if that is what they are doing) are going against the explicit wishes of those who created the character.

Michael Piller explicitly designed the Borg as a characterless villain.

Berman, Braga and Moore went against those express wishes and retconned Piller's famed episode - not even through a new revelation, but through Picard having apparently simply forgotten a key event.

That's far more egregious than what is being proposed here.

 

[Thomas Elliot]

Michael Piller explicitly designed the Borg as a characterless villain.

Berman, Braga and Moore went against those express wishes and retconned Piller's famed episode - not even through a new revelation, but through Picard having apparently simply forgotten a key event.

That's far more egregious than what is being proposed here.

You mean in FC? Yeah, that was pretty bad too. Too wrongs don't make a right.

But if they're going to retcon Data's origin in that way, I actually like the fact that it's rooted in an old discarded TNG backstory. And as people have mentioned, it can tie into "Often Wrong."