News Isaacs Would Like To Return To Discovery

[Bad Thoughts]

Isaacs is a good actor and I like what he did with Lorca. However, I am worried that the franchise will continually bring back characters and actors in constant attempts at fan service. We've had the Spock family (minus Sybok) and Pike. Georgiou made a comeback and is promised to be part of a future series. And not only is Picard the center of his own series, at least five major characters (or at least the actors portraying them) from the Berman era are set to appear on the series. As much as I might enjoy seeing Lorca (in some form) return, I think that a line should be drawn under these callbacks, lest the current iterations of Star Trek look like perpetual high school reunions.

 

[Tom]

Could be during the ion storm that swapped the Lorca's , Prime lorca was thrown a 1000 years in the future and Discovery finds him.

 

[Q2UnME]

"Isaacs Would Like to Return to Discovery"

AKA "my current show has been cancelled and I'm looking for a steady paycheck" .....

 

[Damian]

She'd just disintegrated a bowl of cookies, discharging a phaser on "kill" during a command meeting. I think you could rack it up to a near perfect score for bad decisions Admiral Cornwell showed over her career.

True. I actually missed the line when she said he was probably dead and only caught it later. I initially wondered, what about prime-Lorca (and I recalled that epilogue in 'Drastic Measures'). And it was almost like the show-runners didn't even want to focus on prime-Lorca. He's dead, let's forget him. I would love to see prime-Lorca though.

 

[XCV330]

True. I actually missed the line when she said he was probably dead and only caught it later. I initially wondered, what about prime-Lorca (and I recalled that epilogue in 'Drastic Measures'). And it was almost like the show-runners didn't even want to focus on prime-Lorca. He's dead, let's forget him. I would love to see prime-Lorca though.

I kind of feel like so far they've been good at buiding arcs but they run out of room and kind of throw everything together at the end. Isaacs nees to return and prime lorca (or honestly post-merger, Kelvin Lorca too) is the best way to get him back on the show. It's not like he's doing to be busy with the O.A. now.

 

[XCV330]

Isaacs is a good actor and I like what he did with Lorca. However, I am worried that the franchise will continually bring back characters and actors in constant attempts at fan service. We've had the Spock family (minus Sybok) and Pike. Georgiou made a comeback and is promised to be part of a future series. And not only is Picard the center of his own series, at least five major characters (or at least the actors portraying them) from the Berman era are set to appear on the series. As much as I might enjoy seeing Lorca (in some form) return, I think that a line should be drawn under these callbacks, lest the current iterations of Star Trek look like perpetual high school reunions.

Hard to call Lorca returning fan service when he's only been gone one season and it's always been a possibility the other version of Lorca could be out there.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Hard to call Lorca returning fan service when he's only been gone one season and it's always been a possibility the other version of Lorca could be out there.

No, it's not. However, it is a mechanism in which the series ciuld become overpopulated with old characters.

 

[XCV330]

No, it's not. However, it is a mechanism in which the series ciuld become overpopulated with old characters.

I do worry about that, but i think where discovery is going to be in season 3 leaves little room for the retirement club that ST:Picard seems to be turning into.

 

[Damian]

Hard to call Lorca returning fan service when he's only been gone one season and it's always been a possibility the other version of Lorca could be out there.

Yeah, I agree. Isaacs returning to play prime-Lorca hardly compares to Patrick Stewart returning to play Picard (or the other TNG characters), or say bringing Shatner back to play Kirk in the next Star Trek film.

Lorca isn't a legendary character we've seen for years and grown to love, Hell, we don't even know what prime-Lorca is truly like. He'd be an almost totally new character.

And yeah, they wouldn't need any 'back from the dead' sci-fi explanation on why he is back. We didn't ever see prime-Lorca die on the series, you have a novel that hints he's still alive. All you have is speculation from an admiral who's credibility on such matters is questionable at best. He escapes from his Mirror-Universe prison and finds his way back to our universe. Pretty simple to explain. And he was already a part of Discovery--he's not some character resurrected from another Star Trek series.

 

[XCV330]

Yeah, I agree. Isaacs returning to play prime-Lorca hardly compares to Patrick Stewart returning to play Picard (or the other TNG characters), or say bringing Shatner back to play Kirk in the next Star Trek film.

Lorca isn't a legendary character we've seen for years and grown to love, Hell, we don't even know what prime-Lorca is truly like. He'd be an almost totally new character.

And yeah, they wouldn't need any 'back from the dead' sci-fi explanation on why he is back. We didn't ever see prime-Lorca die on the series, you have a novel that hints he's still alive. All you have is speculation from an admiral who's credibility on such matters is questionable at best. He escapes from his Mirror-Universe prison and finds his way back to our universe.

universe crossings pertinent to this: as far as I can tell. Not bringing up the ds9 ones or TNG's own tangental universe with Enterprise C. dates are not definitive but i believe close.


Prime Universe/Mirror Universe: 2256: Buran incident results in Prime and Mirror Lorca's to replace each other in their respective universes. Fate of Prime Lorca is unknown.
Prime Universe: 2257: Starfleet becomes aware that Defiant is going to be lost some time around 2268.
Kelvin Universe: sometime around 2256: Montgomery Scott begins transwarp beaming experiments, losing Admiral Archer's prized beagle. Possible universe incursion?
Prime Universe/Mirror Universe: 2257: Prime and Mirror USS Discovery replace each other in their respective universes. ISS Discovery is destroyed with all hands.
Mirror Universe 2257: Loss of the Charon.
Mirror Univrese 2257: Murder of Doctor Culber, a prime Universe individual within the Mirror Universe
Kelvin Universe 2258: multiple uses of red matter: destruction of Vulcan by artificially induced black hole, destruction of Narada by artificially induced black hole
Prime Universe 2258: Doctor Culber is rescued and returned to life from the spore network, possibly the strangest crossing yet.
Kelvin Universe 2258/Prime Universe 2387: The Narada crew and Ambassador Spock cross into/or create the tangental Kelvinverse by the events caused by the attack on the USS Kelvin. As previous manipulations of the past have not been shown to create such a wide-sweeping new universe, something special occured with this moment.

2256-2258 seems to be a very active time for hopping across the three main star trek universes. And those hops aren't always static in time. Discovery took a small leap forward when it returned to the Prime Universe. If Prime Lorca were go also find a way out, he might also be moving forward in time. He might also just be driven as a starfleet officer to do something about the doomed crew of NCC-1764 in a few more years, since so far no one has seemed to show a lot of concern about them.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

He might also just be driven as a starfleet officer to do something about the doomed crew of NCC-1764 in a few more years, since so far no one has seemed to show a lot of concern about them.

As I recall, there was precious little information about the Defiant that anyone in DSC could get access to. It was highly classified (for the eyes of Imperial Starfleet officers of Captain and above, only), and what little info the DSC people DID get, was highly classified and redacted.

So there would not be a lot that they could do to warn the Defiant about what would eventually happen to it.

 

[Phoenix219]

It all makes the most sense if the Kelvinverse just always existed, and was altered but not created by the Kelvin incident. Otherwise, your timeline has prime Montgomery. Experimenting with transwarp beaming before the Kelvin split or rewrite even occurs.

Of course, there is always the possibility that everything we are watching on Discovery was later wiped out by the kelvinverse and no longer exists.

 

[Phoenix219]

As I recall, there was precious little information about the Defiant that anyone in DSC could get access to. It was highly classified (for the eyes of Imperial Starfleet officers of Captain and above, only), and what little info the DSC people DID get, was highly classified and redacted.

So there would not be a lot that they could do to warn the Defiant about what would eventually happen to it.

Georgiou....

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Georgiou....

She obviously would not want to help, because it would cause a paradox - her Empire would have lost all that it gained from raiding the Defiant's technology.

Even though she will probably never see said Empire ever again, she has no reason to do anything that would harm it.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Of course, there is always the possibility that everything we are watching on Discovery was later wiped out by the kelvinverse and no longer exists.

Actually, no, there isn't any possibility of that.

The arrival of Nero and the Narada didn't change the prime timeline, it caused a new one to form. Both exist alongside each other.

 

[Discofan]

Spoiler: spoiler: spoiler disco season 2 spoiler spoiler warning!!!!

But Pike's fate is sealed in absolutely every timeline!!! He'll end up in that stupid binary chair.

 

[Phoenix219]

Actually, nothing in the actual movie ever states that the timeline wasn't rewritten, only that events happened in an "alternate universe" - so either it was always an alternate universe, or the rewrite is still a possibility. It doesn't matter what shows are being made - the original prime timeline extended infinitely into the future, until the moment it was rewritten. We may be watching stories set in a now defunct universe, that once existed.

 

[Discofan]

Actually, nothing in the actual movie ever states that the timeline wasn't rewritten, only that events happened in an "alternate universe" - so either it was always an alternate universe, or the rewrite is still a possibility. It doesn't matter what shows are being made - the original prime timeline extended infinitely into the future, until the moment it was rewritten. We may be watching stories set in a now defunct universe, that once existed.

Actually, we keep watching shows in timelines that never existed at all.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Nobody has to prove that the prime timeline wasn't altered.

They have to prove that it WAS.

And you can't do that, so.../threadover

Besides, if the prime timeline has been changed, why are they making Picard? Think about it.

 

[Discofan]

Is the Mandela effect proof that timelines are changed as we speak?