Is 'Woman In Cafeteria' Janice Rand, or not?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by Lance, Sep 12, 2013.

  1. R. Star

    R. Star Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jun 15, 2012
    I never noticed the misnaming in the credits and just always assumed it was Rand. Could it be a case of not wanting to pay royalties like with Lacarno/Paris?
  2. Therin of Andor

    Therin of Andor Admiral Admiral

    Jun 30, 2004
    New Therin Park, Andor (via Australia)

    No royalties are owed to a writer for this character, since Rand dates back to the Writers' Bible of TOS. The royalty rule is more for a one-off guest character in an episode written by an outside writer, who gets turned into a recurring character in other writers' scripts, ie. T'Pau, Locarno, etc.

    And it's not a "misnaming". It is a cameo and a kind of in-joke. As I said, the script itself doesn't specify that it's Rand. Not listing the character's name is part of the in-joke. It was a directorial choice to use GLW as Rand. The scriptwriter had no idea the director would add an existing TOS character to the scene. He could have used an extra, but he used GLW.

    Some cameos in movies go uncredited, even though the actor has lines eg. Whoopi Goldberg in "Generations" and "Nemesis", and Noel Neill and Kirk Allyn as Lois Lane's parents in "Superman: The Movie" (dialogue restored for TV premiere).
  3. Greg Cox

    Greg Cox Admiral Premium Member

    May 12, 2004
    Lancaster, PA
    I always assumed it was Rand, because the scene works better emotionally that way.

    That bit isn't about her uniform and rank. It's about: "Hey, look, it's Janice--from the old show--and she's getting all choked up about what happened to the Enterprise. What a nice moment!"

    I don't think you're supposed to be paying attention to her insignia at that moment. :)
    Last edited: Sep 13, 2013
  4. Praetor

    Praetor Vice Admiral Admiral

    Apr 18, 2004
    The fine line between continuity and fanwank.
  5. Pauln6

    Pauln6 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jul 24, 2009
    Bristol, United Kingdom
    It was clearly meant to be Janice in STIII they just ret-conned her rank. They did the same to O'Brien. I can live with it.

    And glam make-up or not, Grace looked good in TMP IMO. Too much glam make-up on an older woman doesn't look as good to me. In Basic Instinct 2 Sharon Stone was caked in so much make-up it looked a bit odd. Shortly after I saw her talking with Dev Patel on a red carpet beaming away, wrinkles and all and she is still incredibly beautiful without the make-up.
    Last edited: Sep 14, 2013
  6. Maurice

    Maurice Vice Admiral Admiral

    Oct 17, 2005
    Walking distance from Starfleet HQ
    Sorry to be a skeptic, but how would anyone know what Persis had in her contract? Actors aren't usually forthcoming about the details of their deals.
  7. austen_pierce

    austen_pierce Captain Captain

    Aug 15, 2013
    Virginia Beach, VA
    The OP question is what do we think. Based on what I've read here and my own opinions, it seems the answer is a clear yes. It's Rand.