Is Voyager really Star Trek?

[hellsgate]

Mahler5: As always, my suggestion is this --- you're absolutely free to write a story that takes place immediately following "Endgame" & right before Janeway's (oddly) promoted to Vice Admiral ("Nemesis").

I liked Voyager immensely, despite Janeway's own dialogue (pertaining to the behavior of James T. Kirk & his crew,) indicating that her own behavior wasn't great but acceptable given the circumstances (completely unlike Kirk's to be absolutely responsible for everything & out of contact with Starfleet Command for a five year mission,) when she once said, "the whole bunch would've been thrown out of Starfleet today."

I found Janeway to be an arrogant wannabe Oprah that should've been beamed off almost immediately upon arrival in the Ocampan Sector & Chakotay should've (forcibly) taken the reins. Leaving Seska & Janeway far behind, predestined to bitch-slap the hell out of one another for the rest of their natural lives, for the entertainment of the local Kazon Maj.

 

[Wil has a posse]

I'm lobbying for Voyager to be retroactively re-titled "Star Trek: Boobies and Borg".

But, to paraphrase what I said in the similarly-named DS9 thread, the name of the show is Star Trek: Voyager. That should be all the discussion needed, but if I were to expound upon it further, I'd simply say: imagine you have an adult cousin who wears underwear on his head and talks to squirrels. Is he part of your family?

Like it or not, yes, he is.

 

[cdwren]

Yes, Voyager was Star Trek. Just because it had some weak moments and the writers and producers and cast lost interest in it in the final season doesn't make it not Trek. If we follow that standard then about a third of TNG doesn't qualify as truly Trek, and almost the entire third season of the original series, for Pete's sake. Now if you want to talk about crappy Trek, let's look to where it all began. Or am I going to have to bring up The Final Frontier?

I thought Voyager had some of the finest moments in Trekdom - and some of the weakest. That's the nature of Television production. But it was definitely "of the body".

 

[Kurgan]

The more and more i watch Voyager the more i like it(havign watched it since it's original run).Janeway had a different style of command that the captains of the other series and it fit perfectly with Voyager's situation(being lost and 70,000 light years from the Federation).Imo the series really picked up after the addition of 7 of 9 and finally found it's niche.I still watch the reruns on Spike as much as i can and always seem to find something new from each episode even though i've seen each at least a half dozen times.

When it originally airred Voyager got alot of flack but in hindsight alot of it was undeserved.

 

[Malcom]

mahler5 said:
No,it is made to look and sound like star trek, but it is hollow and has no soul. I think of it as pretend trek.
Any thoughts?

Four pages later and no moderator in the Voyager forum thinks this is trolling or flaming?

 

[exodus]

Malcom said:

mahler5 said:
No,it is made to look and sound like star trek, but it is hollow and has no soul. I think of it as pretend trek.
Any thoughts?

Four pages later and no moderator in the Voyager forum thinks this is trolling or flaming?

It's not really a personal attack upon anybody, so I don't think it qualifies.

Besides, other posters have said much worse about Voyager in other forums. However, let's also not forget that this is also the forum where I was openly flamed by OldManDax and the MOD's did nothing because they felt it was worthy of conversation. So I wouldn't put too much faith in them to always do the right thing.

 

[Akiraprise]

If you guys have some concern over moderator inaction our PM box is always open. You may not get the answer you want, but you'll get an answer. If you're not satisfied follow the procedure or take your complaint to someone higher. Don't start dragging threads off topic over this stuff.

 

[mvkemp]

It's more Star Trek than DS9 was, that's for sure.

 

[ChristopherPike]

Absolutely. Yes. It clearly is.

Don't believe me?

Ask anybody and they'll tell you, "I don't watch that, it's Star Trek!"

 

[Eminence]

Kurgan said:
The more and more i watch Voyager the more i like it(havign watched it since it's original run).Janeway had a different style of command that the captains of the other series and it fit perfectly with Voyager's situation(being lost and 70,000 light years from the Federation).Imo the series really picked up after the addition of 7 of 9 and finally found it's niche.I still watch the reruns on Spike as much as i can and always seem to find something new from each episode even though i've seen each at least a half dozen times.

When it originally airred Voyager got alot of flack but in hindsight alot of it was undeserved.

I feel pretty much the same way about Voyager -- I've been rewatching it lately and it's a pretty good show, certainly better than I seemed to remember!!

To be honest, I enjoy watching Voyager more than DS9 now....I still like DS9, but for some reason, Voyager seems more rewatchable. And that probably is because there's always something new to notice in each viewing.

 

[Guy Gardener]

This is how she conducted a few of her fist contacts.

"hello. We're from a long way away and we're going back. That's epic. You will accept that our journey is epic and marvel about how epic we are and treat us like gods and change any of your moral beliefs if we think they're outrageously backward... O? Playing it tough? Won't let us trek through your back yard with our incredibly well armed space ship? Well we're coming in any way and you can't stop us."

If Janeway wasn't treated like a hero over coming unimaginable obstacles then she got pissy.

She had a mothering side too, where she cooed and fed studly people pecan pie. But if she could feed ensigns to space beasties, kill Kes or Tuvix and then brush the responsibility under the carpet more power to her self deception that she is always a good person.

But flip flopping between such polar responses is not something even a girl pride can trumpet as a gad damned badge of honor.

 

[DrGojira]

About 60% of Voyager is Star Trek. The rest is Berman and Braga descent into the mucklike world of Enterprise.