Is Toxic "Star Wars" Fandom Imploding?
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How am I dismissing you? You're the one saying I've got my fingers in my ears when I'm trying to engage in a discussion with you over the matter. I'm not saying what you said is the problem but it doesn't help. I am trying to put forward something to help and getting dismissed by rolly eye emotes. What I said may sound basic but to me it seems a lot of people (and at no point did I say you but these posts will be seen by others) don't put their money where their mouth is. They will pick and choose what female/ black/ other led movies they want to go and see when they need to sweep the cinema for them; picking up each and every one and making sure they are putting at least their bum on a seat.
Hollywood doesn't want to take risks so you do your best to make it so its no longer a risk for them.
But wasn't hamill disappointed about his role as an older Luke?
Apparently he came around to it some time after the movie was released.
He was, and he disagreed with Johnson on some points. That, of course, was taken and blown up that Hamil hated the direction.
But, more recently, he has discussed it in a more positively and as a process of discovery for the character.
If that were the case (which I'm going to leave aside for a moment), why would that be an issue?
Why should our childhood heroes have been infallible?
"the transformation of his iconic character from idealistic Jedi to the cranky reclusive"
So that was his gut reactions before his apology tour
Yup. And then he processed through it."the transformation of his iconic character from idealistic Jedi to the cranky reclusive"
So that was his gut reactions before his apology tour
It's kind of life a grief process in a way
Well at least he has the satisfaction of knowing his acting was valued.Yup. And then he processed through it.
It's kind of life a grief process in a way
What would you prefer? How would you write a compelling story for Luke that addressed why he left after losing his students and why he wasn’t helping the Resistance using just the setup of The Force Awakens?"the transformation of his iconic character from idealistic Jedi to the cranky reclusive"
So that was his gut reactions before his apology tour
"the transformation of his iconic character from idealistic Jedi to the cranky reclusive"
So that was his gut reactions before his apology tour
It's hardly a new idea....
Do a different story. Have an imagination. Oh IDK off the top of my head...
Luke returns to the 1st Jedi temple because there's a disturbance so large in the force, that even Snoke and the 1st order seem like simple threats in the face of what Luke knows is coming. Build up to an invasion of Mandalorians, or create a new species which feeds on life like life-force vampires. Or a swarm of strange deadly creatures led by giant brains who knows.. Imagination is work..not the stuff of lazy folk. Luke would be training for something more powerful thereby not abandoning them, rather training to find a way to save the galaxy with Rey as a master plan to counter Kylo and Snoke, maybe Snoke senses something coming and is searching for Luke since the fall of his padawan apprentices, and betrayal by Kylo. There were more dignified ways to treat the character..if one has imagination and knows the source material and tropes of the genre.
That’s easier said than done, obviously.
So Luke is going to fight a Sharknado in space? Yeah, that’s just awful. How does that honor Luke, it’s just a bullshkt justification for action scenes. Luke is a character, not a toy that fights monsters or a master planner. Watch the movies, Luke is fairly reactive and usually justified for it, Him saving Vader wasn’t a plan, he wasn’t counting on the Emperor is attack him and make Vader turn on him, it just happened and he almost got himself killed or turned to the Dark Side in the process. You want to radically change Luke as a person for the sake of pointless action scenes.
I couldn't agree more, and yes, there were more dignified ways to treat the character than have him some has-been with a chip on his shoulder
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It's 30 years later. Luke should have been more then the reactionary hero of the first 3 movies. Plus, people forget the essence of star wars. It's name says it all, and it was based on the 1930s comics, and 1940s sci-fi serials like Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers. Those suggestions I had were just as engaging as Rian Johnson's "subvert expectations" script. Johnson even said, he doesn't make films for fans. If only half of the public like his work, and the other half hate it, then he's done his job.
Here I thought Star Wars was for everyone. Silly me..
I couldn't agree more, and yes, there were more dignified ways to treat the character than have him some has-been with a chip on his shoulder
I think people forget how brave Luke became. Left his home on tatooine, fought against the deathstar, blew it up. Left his training to save his friends at cloud city, faced Vader, got his hand chopped off. Regrouped, finalized his training, and faced the emperor, all to save his father. He could have taken the easier path. Killed his father, and then the emperor. But he took the force lightning, like a Man, not a whimp, and Vader responded to save his son and the emperor died. Gathered his father up, and returned to the rebellion. Luke freed the galaxy.
Soft spoken or not, his actions were so much different then the way Johnson portrayed him in TLJ. Rey by comparison has less adversity and generally suffers no worries, she can just do anything and no consquences, no explanations, as a proper Mary sue.
Luke being a has been? I would have thought he was the wisest Jedi. Having 30 years to plan, make plans within plans.
The universe of star wars just isn't all about the Jedi. But it does have it's lore in that. The name says it all. Star wars..not a slow chase in space like BSG. The Last Jedi is a poorly written movie. It doesn't portray Luke in a good light and makes Rey the reason he joins the fight again. Makes Rey defeat him in a duel.
You see what they want to do. Kill off the past. Shit on it too. You have to make the new characters cooler then the original and the original owes their victory to the new. Jin Eyrso supposedly..so Luke's legacy is dampened by revisionists and expectation subversionists. I'd have wanted Luke going out like a leader. A general. Not a washed up has been force projection.
Of course I could see them making Luke die to save Rey, with some stupid line like, "you're the future." or some such nonsense just to hammer the point home. Problem is the new characters lack depth, true motivation. And appeal. Just look at toy and merchandise sales. The real money from the movies that's made as Yogurt would say from Spaceballs.
Toy sales are abysmal.
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Luke ditches his friends and family in their hour of greatest need...
(Again)
In order to find some weird ass alien in the middle of nowhere, and get more training/macguffins to become The Special...
(Again)
Then come back after Rey or Leia gets suitably upset/menaced, defeat Snoke/The Big Bad with his new awesomeness, and probably redeem Kylo.
(AGAIN.)
There we go. Some Pure Star Wars Creative Genius TM.
Now y’all donate 2million dollars to my patreon, and I promise to remake the movie just like that.
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Well, he was. He became proactive, build an Academy and it all collapsed, literally. Then he got bitter, reclusive (and IMO more interesting). I am reminded of a quote from Captain Marvel #25, the final issue of Peter David's run, where the set of the series is literally being torn off because the series is over: "That's how all stories really finish, Captain. The only way happy endings occur is if the story ends early. Which is what's happening here. So be happy." I feel this can also apply to the Original Trilogy, at least in a more in-universe sense than in the Captain Marvel issue (unless there was a canceled fourth movie that I didn't know about). There's no happy end, we just stop watching at a point where it's comfy for us.
Thanks. Nice to be on record.