IS THERE EVEN A FUTURE |???????
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The world ends tomorrow. I wasn't going to say anything, but well, you asked.
There is a future for Star Trek, if CBS Paramount make the right decisions.
It's not for a lack of ideas. There are tons of possibilities for the franchise. It's simply of matter of executing them well.
It's not for a lack of ideas. There are tons of possibilities for the franchise. It's simply of matter of executing them well.
I think the theme of the thread is to be a subtle bash at JJ Abrams... since the poster knows very well that there's a movie coming out.
That's why there's the bit about "Live long and pros... or rather may the force be with you."
He/they are implying Abrams is going to turn Trek into Star Wars...
Trek could only hope to have that popularity and or infamy.
Sharr
That's why there's the bit about "Live long and pros... or rather may the force be with you."
He/they are implying Abrams is going to turn Trek into Star Wars...
Trek could only hope to have that popularity and or infamy.
Sharr
Perceptive of you, Sharr Khan.
And some sobering facts to consider:
*J.J. Abrams likes Star Wars better than Star Trek. He's said so quite publicly...
*Roberto Orci is the biggest Trekkie nerd on the creative team. Not only has he watched all the shows he's even read some of the novels, for god's sake. He considers "The Balance of Terror" and "Yesterday's Enterprise" to be two of his favourite episodes... good choices, but anyone notice an action-adventure slant? And when your diehard Trekkie thinks like that....
mahler5's criticism would be therefore premature, but not without grounding. But as he's saying it's gong to kill the franchise, its position is even more tenuous.
Star Wars was, after all, a success. Let Trek repeat the formula and the same may ensue.
And some sobering facts to consider:
*J.J. Abrams likes Star Wars better than Star Trek. He's said so quite publicly...
*Roberto Orci is the biggest Trekkie nerd on the creative team. Not only has he watched all the shows he's even read some of the novels, for god's sake. He considers "The Balance of Terror" and "Yesterday's Enterprise" to be two of his favourite episodes... good choices, but anyone notice an action-adventure slant? And when your diehard Trekkie thinks like that....
mahler5's criticism would be therefore premature, but not without grounding. But as he's saying it's gong to kill the franchise, its position is even more tenuous.
Star Wars was, after all, a success. Let Trek repeat the formula and the same may ensue.
That's not how Trekkies do it. We pronounce doom before we even see the finish product. You must be new.Kegek Kringle said:
There's a movie coming out next December.
Kindly wait for the film to tank before proclaiming the end of the franchise.
Wow. Everybody knows. Except me. So I guess everyone doesn't know after all. 
Well see - Trek as of now is "dead" in that there's no on going series. It would stay that way were it not for this film, at least for awhile.
Btw: Trek is over all an "action adventure" a wagon train to the stars a western - at least it was before it got to full of itself and became tedious, preachy and boring...
Entertainment's one unforgivable sin no matter what genre, it cannot be boring. If a movie book or TV show doesn't maintain something fun it will and should fail since to be the opposite of boring is why tv shows and movie exist.
Hey I won't condemn Abrams for liking Star Wars more - I like DUNE more then I like Trek, and Babylon 5 *to me* surpasses modern Trek on a human level far better then any modern Trek series. It doesn't follow I wouldn't be good at making a Trek film... if making movies was my job.
Oh and reading Abrams remark about SW I can't help but see many "Trekkies" blowing what he meant as way out of proportion and taking undo offense by it. But then I don't much expect less from many Trek "fans".
Sharr
This is true, though in my mind "The Cage", is like a simplified "Forbidden Planet". of course "The Cage" didn't sell the series...
Trek fans forget about the pulp trying to turn the thing they love into "2001". Trek didn't start to try to be that until the great reformation IE TNG.
If Abrams can find that pulpy nature once more all will be well.
Yes Trek has a future, it always will in some format or another.
Sharr
Exactly. Forbidden Planet: The Series.
Star Trek didn't try to be 2001 until TMP, and that was a one-shot effort. TNG carried on influences from TMP, but none directly from 2001.
And TNG was the show that sold me on the franchise.
If he does it well, sure.
So long as the suits think it'll sell. Disabuse them of this notion, and buh-bye Star Trek.
Actually, ST:TMP attempted to do just that.
Well I concede that. But to me Roddenberry's reformed view of Trek sticks out to me like a broken toe. It wasn't the changes that bugged me - it was when those changes became condescending and or boring tedious to watch.
"Space Seed" was the first episode of Trek I can recall watching. I don't know if it was the first episode that I saw but it was the one that made the impression on me.
As long as this film is fun in one form or another there will be more Star Trek. Though I'm of the opinion there would be Trek regardless since "the franchise" as it is survived what many here would deem failure (and I don't mean Enterprise) to make it this far.
Sharr
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There is no future and I shall tell you why, in 2380 Earth is hit by a cloaked Asteroid and wiped out, it later becomes apparent it was cloaked using Romulan cloak technology.
The Klingons and Romulans end up fighting over Federation territory and end up destroying eachothers homeworlds leaving themselves open to attack from the Tholians and the Breen, who both end up conquering the Alpha and Beta quadrants only to be surprise attacked by a Dominion fleet that came from the wormhole.
It turns out that the wormhole aliens didnt wipe out the Dominion fleet during the dominion war and merely sent them into the future, the Dominion celebrates victory only to be on the receiving end of a Borg invasion fleet.
A huge war takes place with both sides taking serious losses, eventually the Borg and Dominion send their entire fleet into battle in the Cardassia system only to be wiped out by the Ferengi who decided to cause a supernova by firing a trilithium torpedo into the Cardassian sun, the Ferengi wernt making much profit because of the wars so took matters into their own hands.
The Ferengi become the dominant species in the galaxy only to get wiped out by an unknown probe ship transmitting whale songs, the probe goes planet to planet wiping out entire worlds trying to make contact with humpback whales, eventually thousands of planets get wiped out and the Star Trek universe comes to an end.
The Klingons and Romulans end up fighting over Federation territory and end up destroying eachothers homeworlds leaving themselves open to attack from the Tholians and the Breen, who both end up conquering the Alpha and Beta quadrants only to be surprise attacked by a Dominion fleet that came from the wormhole.
It turns out that the wormhole aliens didnt wipe out the Dominion fleet during the dominion war and merely sent them into the future, the Dominion celebrates victory only to be on the receiving end of a Borg invasion fleet.
A huge war takes place with both sides taking serious losses, eventually the Borg and Dominion send their entire fleet into battle in the Cardassia system only to be wiped out by the Ferengi who decided to cause a supernova by firing a trilithium torpedo into the Cardassian sun, the Ferengi wernt making much profit because of the wars so took matters into their own hands.
The Ferengi become the dominant species in the galaxy only to get wiped out by an unknown probe ship transmitting whale songs, the probe goes planet to planet wiping out entire worlds trying to make contact with humpback whales, eventually thousands of planets get wiped out and the Star Trek universe comes to an end.
The pending Trek film might well kill the franchise for many years... we all know just how bad Trek prequels generally suck.
Trek 11 should have been a 2 hour long opus...a farewell to the TNG cast by killing off the Titan's Captain Riker and most of the remaining TNG cast after introducing a new cast sent to investigate the loss of the Titan or some such thing...
You KNOW Paramount is scared sh*tless that they might have killed the billion dollar franchise by keeping Berman around WAAAAYY too long by doing a prequel...
Any creative/storyline types that worked on Nemsamess should have NOTHING to do with T11... and ditto for Star Trek: Enterprise types....
Trek 11 should have been a 2 hour long opus...a farewell to the TNG cast by killing off the Titan's Captain Riker and most of the remaining TNG cast after introducing a new cast sent to investigate the loss of the Titan or some such thing...
You KNOW Paramount is scared sh*tless that they might have killed the billion dollar franchise by keeping Berman around WAAAAYY too long by doing a prequel...
Any creative/storyline types that worked on Nemsamess should have NOTHING to do with T11... and ditto for Star Trek: Enterprise types....
No we don't... we only know the work of one such production team and the fact no matter the calender date they were more or less giving us the same old same old.
Not fair or even wise to pin the misteps of one group of producers on the newer group.
Any how, the timeline isn't what will bring about the success or failure of this project or any other - if its enjoyable or not WILL.
Most normal people don't care about at what point a story takes place in a timeline only that they're being entertained.
Sharr
Nope, sorry.
It's not what fans don't know - it's what some of them know that isn't so.
It's a movie. Action/adventure is the way to go.
When we get a TV series again it can delve in different directions.
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